Fans right to boo

[ian1964 10,826]

The fact is,Rangers do not have the devine right to win all games,no team does and I don't believe football fans expect that, but put it in perspective, I did expect to beat ICT,the bottom team, @ Ibrox @ this critical stage of the season after getting our noses back in front in the title push, is that too much to expect ?, don't think so. How will this defeat influence winning the SPL ?, time will tell, but surely fans are entitled to boo if they feel they are not getting the right standard of performance, FWIW I do not boo.

[johnnyk 158]

The fact is,Rangers do not have the devine right to win all games,no team does and I don't believe football fans expect that, but put it in perspective, I did expect to beat ICT,the bottom team, @ Ibrox @ this critical stage of the season after getting our noses back in front in the title push, is that too much to expect ?, don't think so. How will this defeat influence winning the SPL ?, time will tell, but surely fans are entitled to boo if they feel they are not getting the right standard of performance, FWIW I do not boo.

 

boooooooooooooooooooo :fish:

[ian1964 10,826]

boooooooooooooooooooo :fish:

 

Well.........not all the time............and quietly

[CammyF 9,100]

The fact is,Rangers do not have the devine right to win all games,no team does and I don't believe football fans expect that, but put it in perspective, I did expect to beat ICT,the bottom team, @ Ibrox @ this critical stage of the season after getting our noses back in front in the title push, is that too much to expect ?, don't think so. How will this defeat influence winning the SPL ?, time will tell, but surely fans are entitled to boo if they feel they are not getting the right standard of performance, FWIW I do not boo.

 

I've gotten an idea - the next time Rangers lose to a pub team, sorry team at the bottom of the SPL, whilst putting in the worst Rangers performance for decades, lets all stay behind and applaud them off the pitch.....

 

At the next AGM, when SDM is using his smoke and mirrors to deflect attention from himself, to defelct the reasoning behind selling eight players in the summer, lets all give him a standing ovation (oh, wait, that isn't far removed from reality).

 

The biggest danger to Rangers FC at the moment are the majority of fans who have accepted downsizing, SDM's bullshit and still believe that everything in the gardan is rosey. Those vocally opposed are often regarded as renegades, not real fans - they are far from it, they are the ones who have seen this coming, they are the ones who realise that we are close to extinction, they are the ones who'll, unfortunately be able to shrug their shoulders when the shit has hit the fan and is running down the walls and say 'Told you so'.... by then off course, it will be to late (if it isn't already too late).

 

Cammy F

[Norris Cole 0]

He didn't say that in the slightest.

 

"Sometimes it's hard to play here, sometimes the crowd are hard to please."

 

Do let me know if my copy and paste function is malfunctioning.

 

No, I'm not desperate to defend, I just hate it when people have a single minded agenda and twist absolutely EVERYTHING to suit it.

 

There ain't nothing to twist about Smith's record these last two and a bit years. He is a failing manager and patently not good enough to be anywhere near Ibrox. As I've already said the only reason he is here because he is a Murray yes man.

 

The only people more dangerous than Smith and Murray are those who accept what they are doing to the club, or indeed defend their presence.

 

I'm a Rangers supporter so when people talk absolute rubbish to have kick after kick at my club, I take offence.

 

I'm taking "kick after kick" at the people who are ruining the club I love before my eyes.

 

You've said yourself you wait until we are double figures behind on points before attacking the manager. Does this mean that, had we lost our next match after the OF game on 27 Dec and Celtic had won theirs, you'd have started attacking Smith - after all, we'd have been 10 points behind?

 

As it is, in the space of two games we have gone from being top of the league and 10 goals ahead of the filth to three points behind and a better goal difference of only 2. Many of us are in agreement that many of the players are either gutless, pish, or both. However the fact is that Walter brought the majority of them to the club. Last night he played a big centre forward target man at outside left and replaced him with a right back who's place in the team has been taken by a centre-back. He switches a 17-year-old central midfielder/forward between wings then takes on the left-footed Naismith at outside right.

 

That is the reality of what Walter Smith is doing to Rangers.

 

Rangers have many problems right now but the stench of the Tim-like anti-Rangers agenda is nausiating.

 

I would love you to explain that comment.

[craig 5,199]

Those vocally opposed are often regarded as renegades, not real fans - they are far from it, they are the ones who have seen this coming, they are the ones who realise that we are close to extinction, they are the ones who'll, unfortunately be able to shrug their shoulders when the shit has hit the fan and is running down the walls and say 'Told you so'.... by then off course, it will be to late (if it isn't already too late).

 

Cammy F

 

Actually...... SDM probably couldn't be as far removed from the truth of this if he tried.

 

Those vocally opposed to what is happening at the club are, quite possibly, the fans who are spending more time than others on looking at the club in general (good AND bad) and spending more time worrying about the state of the club.

 

The vocal fans are quite possibly the "true fans" because of their vocality rather than being "false fans" because of it.

 

That is not to say that quieter fans are not true supporters but, usually, in times of unrest, the more vocal are those more passionate.

[DJBlue72 0]

I would say the fans are well within hteir right to boo last night as We should be pumping the bottom of the league team no matter who it is and trying to wrack up the goal difference so there is no excuse that can come out of Walters mouth that merits a result like that.

 

I will admit i wasnt at the game last night as was playing football but managed to catch a bit of their game on Celtanta and Killie had chances to at least get a draw against them but when news came from Ibrox i was gutted Rangers have done it again blow another chance in the league title race.

 

If Walter does manage to deliver the title no matter how he does it until it is won by us or impossible to catch up then as many critisims i have of our manager i will back him in this fight but i think if we wim lose or draw the league he must be moved on and a freshness brought to the club in the shape of a young ambitious manager with new ideas , If he stays i can see some fans packing it in at Ibrox.

 

We Must Stop 4 In A Row that is our Mission - We Must Achieve it

[CammyF 9,100]

I don't think its about stopping Celtc getting 4-in-a-row. We stopped them in 2003 and 2005 and these wins, whilst been more than welcome and very enjoyable, were in fact, false dawns. They merely papered over the cracks and deflected peoples attentions from our glaring flaws (on and off the pitch).

 

The last title win was made even more special given that it was achieved in a period of major downsizing (that has continued unabated) and in the face of a chairman selling our best players and replacing them with inferior players.

 

If we win the title this season, it will rank along side the 2005 triumph - done in the face of downsizing (at a new alarming level) and will again, only paper of the cracks and buy SDM another couple of years.

 

This goes well beyond winning the title to stop Celtc winning 4-in-a-row, it is about the survival, regeneration, improvement, longevity and future of Rangers Football Club. The stakes have never been higher.

 

Cammy F

[maineflyer 0]

He didn't say that in the slightest. Another who needs to read what's written instead of making it up the way they want it.

 

He said while sometimes the Ibrox crowd is hard to please (which is pretty evident sometimes), THIS TIME the team deserved to be booed.

 

Back to 1st year English interpretation for you...

 

 

 

MY grib on reality? You can't even assimilate the most simple of quotes.

 

 

 

No, I'm not desperate to defend, I just hate it when people have a single minded agenda and twist absolutely EVERYTHING to suit it.

 

I'm a Rangers supporter so when people talk absolute rubbish to have kick after kick at my club, I take offence. It used to be only the Tims I had to deal with this kind of propaganda but how times have changed.

 

Rangers have many problems right now but the stench of the Tim-like anti-Rangers agenda is nausiating.

 

Listen mate, I don't know you and I don't want to cause offence but you need to stop for a minute and consider what you're posting about this matter. Your as entitled to an opinion as the next man but you're getting close to making a fool of yourself with this absurd campaign to defend the plainly indefensible. It's one thing to play Devil's advocate but it's quite another to claim right of way while the 18 wheeler is running over you. Get a grip comes to mind.

[calscot 0]

"Sometimes it's hard to play here, sometimes the crowd are hard to please."

 

Do let me know if my copy and paste function is malfunctioning.

 

Yes your copy and paste is functioning exactly in the same way as Graeme Spiers. You've taken the quote out of context and missed out the line that actually made the point.

 

Smith said: "Sometimes it's hard to play here, sometimes the crowd are hard to please.

 

"But, when you are going for a championship and play the way we played in the first half, the crowd have a right to express their displeasure."

 

That's a pretty big "But". Or do you really believe your own spin?

 

There ain't nothing to twist about Smith's record these last two and a bit years.

 

You do it all the time. Two trophies in one full season? Pipped at the post in the league when given an unprecidented fixture list? UEFA cup final? Still in the running for all three domestic trophies this season?

 

He is a failing manager and patently not good enough to be anywhere near Ibrox. As I've already said the only reason he is here because he is a Murray yes man.

 

That just doesn't ring true. He was not my choice as manager this time but he's done ok under any objective measurements. The thing you're delusional about who we could get as manger these days. We are no longer touted for the likes of Gus Hiddink et al as even the likes of former nowhere teams like Man City are more attractive due to the Sky money.

 

The reason he is here is not for the reasons you give but because we can't do much better. We had Le Guen but he makes Smith look like a genius.

 

But in the end, while possibly not producing the most pretty of football, Smith's results stand up as fair which doesn't really fit your argument.

 

The only people more dangerous than Smith and Murray are those who accept what they are doing to the club, or indeed defend their presence.

 

No, dangerous people are those that use lies and propaganda to stir up innappropriate responses in the masses.

 

I don't defend the presence of Murray or Smith, I just defend against the lies and spin doctoring that have replaced real debate here. Just look above to see a typical example where you completely twisted a quote from Smith.

 

Like I said, I've never seen this kind of stuff before except from Tims, so how can you be good for the club?

 

I'm taking "kick after kick" at the people who are ruining the club I love before my eyes.

 

It hard to tell if they are ruining your club when your arguments are surrounded by deliberate inaccuaracies, twisting of facts, taking things out of context scare mongering, false negative predictions given as facts and sheer nit-picking.

 

You've said yourself you wait until we are double figures behind on points before attacking the manager.

 

At least I have some sort of criteria instead of just taking a dislike to a manager when he's doing ok.

 

I argued against Eck and Le Guen and justified my arguments at every turn. I had tons of opposition but I'd have never been heard if either of them had similar results to Smith.

 

Does this mean that, had we lost our next match after the OF game on 27 Dec and Celtic had won theirs, you'd have started attacking Smith - after all, we'd have been 10 points behind?

 

It's a results based game and I would have started to lose confidence in his ability to win the league. If it continued to get worse I have wanted him to go. However, I was sure the seven points behind was a false position, we were there due to a multitude of inept refereeing and in the OF game we lost, we were the better team. Celtic had also been riding their luck. And so it proved to be.

 

As it is, in the space of two games we have gone from being top of the league and 10 goals ahead of the filth to three points behind and a better goal difference of only 2.

 

Yes top of the league, equal on points. It doesn't take a genius to see that it's not the most unlikely of events. That's just football.

 

Many of us are in agreement that many of the players are either gutless, pish, or both. However the fact is that Walter brought the majority of them to the club. Last night he played a big centre forward target man at outside left and replaced him with a right back who's place in the team has been taken by a centre-back. He switches a 17-year-old central midfielder/forward between wings then takes on the left-footed Naismith at outside right.

 

That is the reality of what Walter Smith is doing to Rangers.

 

Then again it's what a lot of fans have been crying out for. "Let's play younger players." So Walter plays Davis, Edu, Fleck, Whittaker, Naismith and Aaron - so where is the win these players are supposed to guarantee? I think fans these days are presumptious in their knowledge of football. It's easy to criticise a manager's failings when you lose.

 

I never presumed to be able to better than Eck or Le Guen but I did know that there were managers with far less resources breathing down their necks in the league and another with not much more resources who was streets ahead. That suggested they were not good enough and someone else could do better. The same thing cannot be said of Smith.

 

I would love you to explain that comment.

 

I could take a load of post in here, change the name to a Timmy one, change a few bits of wording around ("us" and "them" etc) and you'd never guess they were Rangers fans.

 

I have nothing against honest, reasoned, constructive criticism, but there is not much of that coming from certain posters.