Frankie 8,562 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Can't disagree with anything there TB... It could be argued that without Boyd the midfielders may have more options up front so the football is better and more chances created. Nonetheless Boyd still scores the goals and they're more often than not important ones - no matter the opposition. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maineflyer 0 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Boyd may be making another very important contribution to the team's emerging success. He has scored so many goals since his bust with Burley and scored so consistently that I believe he has raised the confidence of the squad and their expectation of winning. Successful teams always feed off their successful strikers, it tends to raise morale throughout the squad. Larsson did it for a fairly poor sellick side. McCoist lifted the whole club in his day, as did DJ. Boyd is doing it now, albeit perhaps to a lesser extent so far. Goram did the same thing with his apparent invincibility, ditto Gough or Tam Forsyth. But goalscorers always do it better. If I were in that team, I would want our goalscorer on the teamsheet every week. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannochsidebear 2,405 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I do see that argument as well Frankie, but in our midfield Ferguson has hardly played a forward pass this season, Davis only really works when coming inside (which if we had a mroe mobile forward, he would probably be in the same space that Davis is moving into), and our lack of real width has been a problem since the return of Walter. So I dont really see what better options we woud have if we had a more all-round CF instead, but I do see that a more mobile CF would not be in the kind of positions that our poacher extraordinaire takes up. You cant coach that, it is natural talent, despite it looking quite cumbersome at times!! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Ally 0 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Excellent post TB. As Frankie points out, the goals he scores are often the important ones. Take this weekend. If Boyd hadn't grabbed a quick equaliser, might Killie have gained in confidence, would Miller's double have been created and scored. Would the fans get wrestless, the players nervous. Of course we don't know for definite. What we do know is Boyd scored, brought us back level and we quickly raced away with the 3 points and topped the league. Interesting post from MF and a point easily made and defended. As he said, with Goram playing you were confident of clean sheets and knew if you score at least one you were likely to win. Works the other way. With Boyd in the team you're likely to get goals and hence confidence grows even if you concede. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 8,078 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Saturday summed up Kris Boyd - scored a goal then did nothing else. Plenty of evidence in the game for boyd fans and non-boyd fans to mull over and evidence that they will believe enforces their opinion of Boyd. However, lets get one thing straight - I don't believe any fan who doesn't rate Boyd as a player, as a striker et al is ANTI-Boyd. I certainly not anti-Boyd, just believe that he can improve on his all-round game and is systematic of the continued downsizing we are seeing at Rangers. During the halcyon days, signing and pinning our title hopes on a big lump of a laddie from Kilmarnock would have been laughable. Boyd has his strengths no one is doubting that, but some feel that he has as many, if not more, weaknesses. Cammy F 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maineflyer 0 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I'm not particularly energised by these Boyd debates but I will usually back him against his critics. However, while I think he should always be in this current team, I also acknowledge his weaknesses and would love to see a better CF take his place - it's just that we don't have the money to make me believe this will happen in the forseeable future. Mind you, the same could equally be said about every other position in the team. I do think it's time this all stopped though. Kris Boyd is the best he can or ever will be. He's the Rangers centre forward. He's a bear and he deserves at least some credit, even from his detractors. There can't really be much more to say about Kris that hasn't been said a hundred times already. Love him or hate him, he's the best we've got right now. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBlue72 0 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I dont know what Boyd has to do to please some of our support ? His goal scoring is unrivaled in Britain never mind the Scotland , as long as Boyd keeps ratteling in the goals i personally couldnt give a monkeys about how many yards he covered during the game and how many passes he got right as long as he busts the net at least once and gets us the points on the board then i am happy. We have not had a prolific striker at Rangers like Boyd since the McCoist & Hately days why so many fans have a problem with him baffles me. Striker - Job = Score Goals thats all. Boyd and Miller are a good partnership together and i wish all fans would get behind them both as they are going to fire us to the title this season and those who have spent the season criticising them both , will you feel a bit of a plonker when we are celebrating a league win helped tremendously by both Miller and Boyds goal contribution ? what will you say then ? I will back Boyd 100% against anyone on here in work in the street :box: we dont have anyone like him and the cost off buying a striker like him would be a price we cant afford. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 8,078 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I dont know what Boyd has to do to please some of our support ?His goal scoring is unrivaled in Britain never mind the Scotland , as long as Boyd keeps ratteling in the goals i personally couldnt give a monkeys about how many yards he covered during the game and how many passes he got right as long as he busts the net at least once and gets us the points on the board then i am happy. We have not had a prolific striker at Rangers like Boyd since the McCoist & Hately days why so many fans have a problem with him baffles me. Striker - Job = Score Goals thats all. Boyd and Miller are a good partnership together and i wish all fans would get behind them both as they are going to fire us to the title this season and those who have spent the season criticising them both , will you feel a bit of a plonker when we are celebrating a league win helped tremendously by both Miller and Boyds goal contribution ? what will you say then ? I will back Boyd 100% against anyone on here in work in the street :box: we dont have anyone like him and the cost off buying a striker like him would be a price we cant afford. However, as you are entitled to your opinion, others are entitled to theirs. IMO a striker has to have more in his locker than scoring goals. All my goalscoring heroes offered so much more than simply putting the ball in the back of the net. I want Boyd, or any other Rangers striker to live up to that reputation. As for the question in bold, to please this bear, he needs to improve on his attitude, his fitness, his link-up play, his control, his pace, his ability to hold up the ball, his awareness of those around him (team-mates as well as opponents). If he can improve on some of those areas, this Bear would be delighted. Cammy F 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,720 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 However, as you are entitled to your opinion, others are entitled to theirs. IMO a striker has to have more in his locker than scoring goals. All my goalscoring heroes offered so much more than simply putting the ball in the back of the net. I want Boyd, or any other Rangers striker to live up to that reputation. As for the question in bold, to please this bear, he needs to improve on his attitude, his fitness, his link-up play, his control, his pace, his ability to hold up the ball, his awareness of those around him (team-mates as well as opponents). If he can improve on some of those areas, this Bear would be delighted. Cammy F And if he did improve all these points,he will deffinately be sold ASAP 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 5,624 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I dont know what Boyd has to do to please some of our support ? His goal scoring is unrivaled in Britain never mind the Scotland , as long as Boyd keeps ratteling in the goals i personally couldnt give a monkeys about how many yards he covered during the game and how many passes he got right as long as he busts the net at least once and gets us the points on the board then i am happy. Sorry, but I disagree. If he plays like he did at the weekend and only plays about 60% then that's not good enough. He should be putting in 100% effort and it appeared that he didn't on Saturday. The "ah well, he scored a goal so he can do whatever the f*ck he wants for the other 89 minutes" doesn't wash with me. He has shown how well he can play earlier in the season when he puts his mind to it. He will always make misplaced passes, but when he doesn't appear to be giving 100% then he deserves to be criticised. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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