Final Boyd thread.

[Gribz 846]

Final comment on Boyd for me.

 

The guy is lazy and moody and is fitting into the "Barry Ferguson mind" of thinking he is Mr Rangers and deserves a place in the team rather than earning it.

 

These are a few of the reasons i dont like him playing as it effects the team all over. His mood spread throughout the team. Not to mention the fact it is like playing with 10 men when he plays.

 

I flash back to Motherwell away when Ferguson was dropped and he pointed the number 6 to Ferguson in the stand after Le Guen had the guts to drop Ferguson. This to me was totally disrespectful and showed an opinion that being a rangers fan to these players meant more than PLAYING for Rangers.

 

There is no doubt that the guy can find the back of the net - yet so can i if you give me a ball and set me up 50 times.

 

Also if you gave me 10000 pounds a week you would see me running my bollocks off in the gym and getting myself in great shape so i could give my all for the team. It wouldnt take George Burley to play a couple of other players ahead of me to kick start my Rangers career!!!

 

Im sorry but Boyd is childish and he carries a depressing attitude onto the park for simply not getting a game!!! We dont need this attitude at Rangers. Id love to see what the likes of Sir Alex would do with a sulker like this!!

 

The sooner Rangers get rid of negativeness like this then we will start winning again!!!.

[craig 5,199]

I am sure I will be in the minority here (and I am certainly NOT anti-Boyd) but I find it hard to disagree with anything you say here Gribz (aside from YOU being able to score as many as he would).

 

You make some valid points above for sure and he is certainly a moody player who also has a propoensity to be moody. I doubt people would deny that as he shows it on the pitch often enough.

 

For me the only real contention over Kris Boyd is whether we can afford to leave out the goals he brings to the team and that is a debate none of us can really answer. The fear for me in leaving him out is whether or not the others in the team really would step up to the plate and take on the goalscoring mantle.

 

None of them have shown it consistently.

[gisabeer 409]

Get off boyds back FFS, and Millers too or that matter.

 

We will not win the league without them.

[Gribz 846]

aside from YOU being able to score as many as he would).

hey, i didnt play for West Ham U12s for nothing!!!! A paper round cut my career short :fish:

 

For me the only real contention over Kris Boyd is whether we can afford to leave out the goals he brings to the team

Mate, this is the main point that we dont need to worry about. If the team is good enough then we will win games. His goals dont guarentee anything until we have wrapped 3 pts - if he is the weekly matchwinner then your right. We won many titles before without worrying if McCoist would be fit etc. We used to worry about Laudrup being out the team from 94-97 but can you honestly compare Boyd to Laudrup?????

[Gazza_8 233]

Boyd is a funny one. He can be shite and not score or he can be shite and score. But at the end of the day goals win games and he's the only guy who does it for us on a regular basis.

 

Apparentely Boyd is beginning to show an attitude in matches which, if ture WS should kick right out of him. Gribz is bang on regarding getting into the BF mould, thinking he's too good to be dropped. I really hope that's not the case.

 

What he did when PLG dropped Ferguson was wrong. He showed a lack of respect to PLG and no matter how much people thought he was the wrong manager for us etc etc he was manager and should've been respected.

 

All in all we need him right now cause who's 2nd top scorer for us and how many has he scored compared to Boyd?

[craig 5,199]

hey, i didnt play for West Ham U12s for nothing!!!! A paper round cut my career short :fish:

 

I played for Killie u-12's but doesnt mean I could score goals for fun :fish:

 

 

Mate, this is the main point that we dont need to worry about. If the team is good enough then we will win games. His goals dont guarentee anything until we have wrapped 3 pts - if he is the weekly matchwinner then your right. We won many titles before without worrying if McCoist would be fit etc. We used to worry about Laudrup being out the team from 94-97 but can you honestly compare Boyd to Laudrup?????

 

But that is the problem with the current team, it doesnt have a Gio, Albertz, Laudrup, McCann etc who could pop up with goals from midfield.

 

How many has Ferguson scored this season ? Mendes has scored 3, Davis probably about the same.

 

I would agree with you that you dont need to have "just a goalscorer" in the team IF the midfield were contributing somewhat regularly - but they aren't.

 

With our midfield not contributing we need all the goals we can find.

 

Here are our scorers this season :

 

 

Boyd 24 (5 pen) (2 hat-tricks)

Miller 11

Novo 7

Lafferty 5

Davis 5

Mendes 3

Thomson 2

Weir 2

Papac 2

Own goals 2

Velicka 1

Cousin 1

Bougherra 1

Whittaker 1

Darcheville 1

Fleck 1

Niguez 1

 

As you can see there isnt really a great contribution from the midfield to our cause. Thomson is injured and then we have a combined total of 10 goals from midfield (Mendes, Davis, Fleck, Niguez).

 

Given that the midfield aren't contributing heavily to the goals tally it makes it hard to leave the goals out of the team.

 

Novo is injured and then Boyd has scored more than Lafferty and Miller combined (even if you deducted his penalties). I am not saying that Boyd should be a starter every game, far from it - but it IS difficult to leave his goals out of the team.

 

Sure, there is no saying that we may be getting more contribution from midfield and the other strikers if Boyd wasn't in the team but, equally, there is no saying that we might not. None of us know.

[Norris Cole 0]

As I've said in another thread, there is much truth in both sides of the Boyd debate.

 

His all round game isn't anywhere near the likes of Hateley or McCoist (who incidentally never got enough credit for it). To Boyd's credit though he appears to have improved markedly this season, though there are still games when you wonder if he can be arsed.

 

I agree that his attitude is at times questionable. Much as I like Boyd, if Le Guen was any sort of manager he'd have put him on the transfer list along with Ferguson after his pathetic '6' gesture during that fateful afternoon at Fir Park.

 

My problem at Parkhead last week wasn't Boyd being left out, it was playing one up against an absolutely honking Celtic outfit who were there for the taking from Hibs or Dundee Utd let alone Rangers. It shouldn't be a case of choosing between Miller's work rate and Boyd's goals. Ask any other manager in the SPL how they would set out if they had Miller and Boyd in their squad and I'd be amazed if they didn't all say they'd play them both up front together in a 4-4-2 / 3-5-2. I think part of the reason we're still having this debate on Boyd is Smith's inability to utilise his strike force to its maximum effect. Would McLeish have won the league in 04/05 by chopping and changing Prso and Novo up front? Doubt it.

 

One thing that annoys me about the anti-Boyd argument is this apparent notion that goals against the bottom 6 don't count. FFS, where was Boyd when we got beat by St Mirren? That's right, on the bench.

 

The fact is we need them both to win the league. If Smith had played them both in a 4-4-2 since the start of the season we'd be sitting well clear by now IMO. I reckon we'd be 5 points better off from Aberdeen and Celtic away anyway.

[johnnyk 158]

Kris Boyd has now scored more goals than Mcdonald, Samaras and Hessilink put togther this season, well done Boydy.....

[chilledbear 16]

Happier with him in my team, than my opponents.

[maineflyer 0]

Surely it's not a question of liking or disliking Kris Boyd, that's largely an irrelevance as far as the team is concerned. The real issue here is whether or not there is a more effective alternative and this is where the facts cannot be ignored or over-written by personal likes or dislikes.

 

Whatever I might think about Kenny Miller and regardless of his four goals in two games, his ability to hit the target this season has been woeful (and most past seasons also if it comes to that). If you look beyond Miller and Boyd, we just don't appear to have anyone at the club who even begins to deliver the goals necessary to win titles. If Miller could score Boyd's goals then it would be impossible for people like me to criticise him the way we do.

 

If there is a better alternative to Kris Boyd then tell me who it is and let's get him in the team. That for me is the only issue for debate. Who cares if Kris Boyd appears moody or otherwise, we have more important questions to answer first, like who else is going to score thirty goals a season?

 

In the simplest terms, we do not currently have a better alternative than Kris Boyd. We may have players who can turn in more committed performances but I can't see anyone who will deliver more goals while doing so.

 

We might as well spend our time comparing Boyd with Drogba or Rooney. If we had these people at Ibrox then few would be asking them to sit on the bench in favour of Kris Boyd. But we don't and that's the real issue at hand.