Wija 0 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Is it just me or am I the only one who thinks the ranting Tim has a point. His post is clearly out of context as to me it looks like he's responding to some Pompey fan saying something like "Portsmouth are a bigger club than Celtic who play in a Mickey Mouse league anyway". He's just gone off the handle a bit but he looks like an intelligent, well adjusted individual compared to some of the out of order racist remarks by a few of the Pompey fans as well as their completely ignorant remarks like comparing the SPL to the VC. It's the Pompey fans who look bad to me on that page and the typical anti-Scottishness of some of the English is transparent even though they don't even know where the Tim is from. I agree with the Tim for most of his post: I agree with him that Portsmouth is a smaller club than Celtic. I agree that Portsmouth only get a mention because they are in a highly hyped league with some very big clubs (due to Sky money). I agree that Pompey usually get beat by the bigger clubs. I agree that Celtic have a lot more fans than Pompey and their stadium is better. I agree that Petrov is only going to Portsmouth to play in the EPL and not for the club itself. I agree that if he got a better offer from a bigger club he'd probably take it. I agree that Portsmouth are unlikely to get into Europe and have precious little chance of CL football. And I agree that I'd rather follow a team that wins stuff, albeit in a less competitive league, and competes in Europe, than watch them outplayed week after week and never win anything, albeit in one of the top leagues. The responses prove his point that although Pompey don't win anything they enjoy boasting about what league they are in, so I agree again there. I disagree about his attack on their nickname, and some people do care about them. For those who disagree with me, remember, all these points also apply to Rangers. Supporting a smaller, less successful club is definitely more of a noble cause as you have more downs to put up with than ups, but as soon as you glorify in the league your in, and put others down for theirs, you're nobility is gone and you become just another glory hunter with a more banal goal. Celtic fans boast about winning the league, Pompey boast about being in a league... Who's the Timmy in disguise............. Also I started following Rangers because my family supported them - not because they were winning stuff. The start of my support of Rangers was a gloriously unsuccessful period in our teams history - but I did not waver and follow anyone else. I find what you said about following a bigger team in a lesser league rather shallow. We are a big team, and yes Scotland is a small fry league but to belittle the success of our team in that smaller league (it is only smaller now due to the over hype of EPL, Italy, Spain where the money goes). Back in the 50's 60's and 70's (possibly the Eighties aswell) we were a big leauge in Europe. Attracting the Captain of England, winning in Europe, getting to the semi's and finals of european trophies. Money does not make a league - it only starts the degradation of it and that countries youth football. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 8,373 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Who's the Timmy in disguise............. Also I started following Rangers because my family supported them - not because they were winning stuff. The start of my support of Rangers was a gloriously unsuccessful period in our teams history - but I did not waver and follow anyone else. I find what you said about following a bigger team in a lesser league rather shallow. We are a big team, and yes Scotland is a small fry league but to belittle the success of our team in that smaller league (it is only smaller now due to the over hype of EPL, Italy, Spain where the money goes). Back in the 50's 60's and 70's (possibly the Eighties aswell) we were a big leauge in Europe. Attracting the Captain of England, winning in Europe, getting to the semi's and finals of european trophies. Money does not make a league - it only starts the degradation of it and that countries youth football. Same here, when I was at high school there were only really about 5-6 Rangers fans in my class and I was the only one going to games (along with guys in the year above me and below me). I was safe to say that Rangers fans were in the minority at my high school - Hibs, Hearts, Abergreen, DUFC, Craptic, Falkirk etc all had a larger support at my high school. I was lucky that my mums family are from Glasgow (near Hampden) and all my uncles supported Rangers and my old man did as well, so I was brought up to love Rangers - not just because they 'were' successful, but due to everything that surrounds Rangers Football Club - you know what I mean, that feeling you get being a Ranger - it's so hard to put into words - we are not made, we are CHOSEN. Cammy F 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Who's the Timmy in disguise............. Also I started following Rangers because my family supported them - not because they were winning stuff. The start of my support of Rangers was a gloriously unsuccessful period in our teams history - but I did not waver and follow anyone else. I find what you said about following a bigger team in a lesser league rather shallow. We are a big team, and yes Scotland is a small fry league but to belittle the success of our team in that smaller league (it is only smaller now due to the over hype of EPL, Italy, Spain where the money goes). Back in the 50's 60's and 70's (possibly the Eighties aswell) we were a big leauge in Europe. Attracting the Captain of England, winning in Europe, getting to the semi's and finals of european trophies. Money does not make a league - it only starts the degradation of it and that countries youth football. I'm sorry wija, but your post makes absolutely no sense to me. How am I Timmy in disguise? Please explain. Is it because I think both Rangers and Celtic are bigger than Portsmouth with bigger stadiums and more supporters? Is because I quite enjoy supporting a big team in a small league rather than fighting relegation every year in a big league? Unreasonably calling a fellow Rangers fan a Timmy in my eyes is pretty pathetic and says more about the person doing the name calling. What are you - the witchfinder general? I'd rather you actual put some effort into discussing the points you disagree with especially as you haven't comprehended even the foggiest about what I'm on about. And if you don't agree with me that the Old Firm are bigger than the likes of Portsmouth, then maybe you're the Englishman in disguise... In fact could you tell me exacly which points you disagree with and why? What did I say about following a bigger team in a lesser league that was shallow? And where did I belittle our success? If you want to talk about how you started supporting Rangers maybe you should start a thread where it's actually relevant, there are many arbitrary reasons for supporting a team and not many are exactly boast-worthy. Boasting about supporting Rangers just because your family does not impress me as it doesn't even sound like you used free choice. But the fact you support Rangers for non-religious or bigoted reasons is a good thing. Although you do seem to imply that if someone started supporting Rangers in the late eighties and nineties then they're not a real Rangers fan. Basically I think that if you want to have a go at me you should perhaps actually read my post properly first bacause you are just arguing the same points as me but using poorer ammunition - like signing the England captain. I'm proud of a lot of Rangers acheivements but having an England captain is an idle boast - in fact didn't he come from the mighty Ipswich? They must have been huge! And wasn't when we were the only club in Britain to enable him to play in the European Cup? If having an England captain makes you great then we're well below many English teams who've had a lot of England captains. And what's wrong with having a load of Scotland captains BTW? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 8,373 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 And if you don't agree with me that the Old Firm are bigger than the likes of Portsmouth, then maybe you're the Englishman in disguise... Whilst Wija's 'timmy in disguise' was uncalled for, so was the above statement. Some people on here have a fixation with 'Englishism' and anything attached with it. As for your points Calscot, Rangers are bigger than Portsmouth, we do have a better (and bigger) stadium than them, but I prefer not to boast or rant about that. We have no compitition with Portsmouth so it is hard to compare like for like. Rangers are the most successful club in the world, we have IMO the best stadium in the world and have the best support in the world - would a Portsmouth fan agree, no they wouldn't - who is right? that is up to others to determine. Cammy F 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkirk Jim 0 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 I think Calscot made some good points there The tim made his points in a very bad way, but a lot of them are generic and would have applied as much to us, as they would to the manky mob As for the Portsmouth replies, well, it does just show up the complete ignorance of a lot of English people when it comes to anything Scottish, yet elements of our support seem to have some desire to be like them! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colshy18 0 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 cammy has a point. there are those on here that are determined that anything to do with england should be scoffed at! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkirk Jim 0 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 I enjoy a bit of banter, but i dont think everything english should be scoffed at ... but i also think we need to realise sometimes that people down south dont really give a fuck about us or our club, and that we are a Scottish club in the end 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 8,373 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 I think Calscot made some good points there The tim made his points in a very bad way, but a lot of them are generic and would have applied as much to us, as they would to the manky mob As for the Portsmouth replies, well, it does just show up the complete ignorance of a lot of English people when it comes to anything Scottish, yet elements of our support seem to have some desire to be like them! Jim, I think a lot of the replies were written with the tone of the original post in mind and many were probably 'tongue in cheek'. I am, and have been a member of a West brom forum for many years now and I am treated with respect and the members have a healthy knowledge of Scottish football domesitcally and internationally. I also an occaisional contributed to a Chelsea fanzine in the early 80's and my 'pitch' was a Scotsman view of Chelsea, the English leagues and to give them a viewpoint on Scottish football. I met the guys that wrote / edited and published the fanzine at the Rangers v Chelsea friendlies from the Bradford Fire Fund and struck up a good freindship with them and they got me involved in their zine. Cammy F 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 cammy has a point. there are those on here that are determined that anything to do with england should be scoffed at! Colshy, I only tend to scoff at anyone English belittling or disregarding Scotland or Scottish football etc. And I hear or read it almost every day. You just have to look at that Portsmouth site to see the anti-Scottish sentiment and disparagement of Scottish football. Those posts are typical of what I have to put up with all the time. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkirk Jim 0 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 I agree Some fair points made by Cammy above too, though, but in my experience most people down south just mock and belittle Scottish football, and i have no time for those people whatsoever 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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