The idiot speaks again

[ascender 352]

I don't think he was called an idiot for what he does at training or how he performs in the tam. I believe it was for the absurdity of handing out public advise only hours after yet again failing to do the job he's paid to do. Behave like an idiot, risk being called one.

 

For my part, while I hope he works hard at training, the only thing I'm in the slightest bit concerned with is how he plays on the park - and he's been grossly underachieving for the last year. As a supporter, I feel I have every right to express these opinions and certainly with more justification than Adam's public utterances.

 

BTW, who is it you feel has been immune to criticism?

 

But that "article" is only a one-line thing, I don't understand how it justifies calling the guy an idiot, that's all, let alone knowing what context the line was said in.

 

Two names which spring to mind are Daniel Cousin and Nacho Novo. Cousin did his best to put us out of the UEFA Cup, then did the same thing against Dundee United a few weeks later, not to mention the fact he couldn't get away from here quick enough. Also while I rate Novo, he's got a real petulant streak in him and has been prone to blatant diving, some awful tackles and again, when we were chasing the title against Aberdeen, got sent off needlessly. There's two guys who can do no wrong in some supporters eyes while players like Adam attract stick no matter what they do.

[maineflyer 0]

There's two guys who can do no wrong in some supporters eyes while players like Adam attract stick no matter what they do.

 

No, I think Adam has only attracted criticism because he has performed so badly - the correlation in surely unquestionable. There is no vendetta, only a recognition of the poverty of his talents.

 

As for Cousin, he plays for Hull and is no longer of any concern to me, although I do remember he took enormous criticism towards the end of last season. Novo is all the things you say but he has also delivered some crucial goals for the club and made a very real contribution during his time at the club. He's no Pele but he's a long, long way ahead of Adam.

[Super_Ally 0]

Behave like an idiot, risk being called one.

 

A number of posters on here might wish to heed that advice then.

 

And when will the fans realise that players don't go running out to find their nearest journalist. They will be required by the club to voice and opinion which may be regurgitated by the press, or directly contacted by a journalist for comment.

 

WHilst some of the childish people out there might wish he had told the journo to f off, a role model, professional sports man and mature adult does not have the luxury of behaving in such a manner. In any case, was our club not supposed to be built on strong standards, not just in terms of on field contribution, but in representing Rangers FC at all times.

 

Imo it is never acceptable to dole out personal and childish insults to a player who is giving his best on the field, regardless of whether or not is best is good enough.

 

If you think Adam had a shite game and say so fine. Calling him a twat or an idiot or other such nonsense merely makes the accuser (sp) seem like one.

[Zappa 0]

A number of posters on here might wish to heed that advice then.

 

And when will the fans realise that players don't go running out to find their nearest journalist. They will be required by the club to voice and opinion which may be regurgitated by the press, or directly contacted by a journalist for comment.

 

WHilst some of the childish people out there might wish he had told the journo to f off, a role model, professional sports man and mature adult does not have the luxury of behaving in such a manner. In any case, was our club not supposed to be built on strong standards, not just in terms of on field contribution, but in representing Rangers FC at all times.

 

Imo it is never acceptable to dole out personal and childish insults to a player who is giving his best on the field, regardless of whether or not is best is good enough.

 

If you think Adam had a shite game and say so fine. Calling him a twat or an idiot or other such nonsense merely makes the accuser (sp) seem like one.

 

It's a complex situation you're talking about here SA. Every large forum community is complex & from what I can see, this one is no different. As I said on your other thread, I don't like to read abuse towards the club, management or players, but I personally think care should be taken when moderating peoples' opinions as well, no matter what they are. It's certainly not easy to get a good balance, but it's possible.

[craig 5,199]

It's a complex situation you're talking about here SA. Every large forum community is complex & from what I can see, this one is no different. As I said on your other thread, I don't like to read abuse towards the club, management or players, but I personally think care should be taken when moderating peoples' opinions as well, no matter what they are. It's certainly not easy to get a good balance, but it's possible.

 

I dont think it is difficult at all to moderate Shroomz - people are entitled to the opinion on the quality of play from ANY player and can vent and say the player isnt good enough, is shit or whatever - where moderation WILL occur is when it pecomes a personal attack.

 

I never paid too much attention to the title thread but I have to agree with S_A - to call someone an idiot without knowing them at all is a personal attack and not one that is warranted. Would it have hurt to say "one of our worst players speaks again" rather than callng said person an idiot ?

[juffery 0]

Players like Charlie Adam are limited and always will be. There isn't much he can do about the amount of natural talent he has (or hasn't) got. He doesn't pick himself, the manager picks him and you can hardly expect him to turn around and say 'actually, I'm a but pish, you would probably be better with someone else'. But he did show, especially in his first season, when he had an extended run in the team that he did have something to offer. You look at our positions where we struggle - left midfield in particular - and it's Adam one week, McCulloch the next, then Beasley, then Novo, then Lafferty then back to the start again! These guys have all done a job, despite their limited abilities at fairly decent levels, but the manager needs to pick one, say to him you're my first pick, you've got a month/six weeks to prove yourself, on you go son. He did it with Boyd and, Saturday apart, it's worked and Boyd is playing the best football of his career. Because the manager has had faith, given him a run and he's been able to build an understanding with the players around him, especially Kenny Miller.

 

Yet there are other players who get chance after chance. McGregor has been rotten this season. He was deservedly dropped, Alexander did nothing wrong then McGregor was back in team. As far as I can see, McGregor has done nothing since then to justify his reinstatement as Alexander did nothing to merit his removal. Barry Ferguson could turn up, have a nightmare and still be guaranteed a game the next week. And that is just unbelievable. I stand by my opinion that he has done nothing since returning from England to make me think he should be in the team. Possibly if the responsibility of the captaincy was taken away, he would be allowed to concentrate more on his game and he could get back to the player we all know he can be rather than this generations Paul McStay.

 

I've kinda lost track on what this thread was about. Something to do with Adam talking to the media, saying he wanted to stay - well if he had said the opposite, he would be getting slated for trying to engineer a move and destabilise the club so I guess the guy just can't win.

[pete 2,499]

Well said sir!

[maineflyer 0]

I found myself thinking about the McLeish years recently. At the time it seemed to me like we had downsized so much but, while he certainly collected his share of deadwood, he had at his disposal players like Ronald de Boer, Mikel Arteta, Lorenzo Amoruso, Stephan Klos, Michael Mols.

 

Now here we are debating the merits or otherwise of Charlie Adam and Lee McCulloch, Kirk Broadfoot and Steven Whittaker. Wondering whether Webster might ever shake off his injuries or if Davie Weir's legs might last one more season. Our manager is wondering if he can offload five or six players to reduce the wage bill and afford Lee Wilkie.

 

The McLeish years now seem like some halcyon period indeed when you compare them to the bereft mess we're sliding into today. So maybe some fan being so annoyed that he occasionally says something he shouldn't about a player is a matter that should occupy less of our time than the incompetence driving the complete demise of this club.

 

If as much effort was put into protesting the mismanagement of Rangers as worrying about someone calling Charlie Adam an idiot then it would be a very fine day indeed.

[Gribz 825]

I think the thing with Adam is everyone knows how bad a player his has been in the last year, yet the manager has to take some flak for bringing him in.

 

1 of WS problems is he doesnt give anyone a decent run on the left, it may take 6 games to adjust and find some form.

 

Going back to Maineflyer's last post, some of the players in Ecks reign would walk straight into the team now which proves we are being downsized by the season - we were on the downward spiral then and we are doing the same now.

 

Id mention Peter Lovenkrands in that list aswell, and we had a chance to take him back - a player who proved it in big games. Give me him on the left anyday compared to our current options bar Aaron who i cant judge.

 

Yet players like PL get shot down because they arent a Stuart McCall type player who will go in for every challenge at 100mph - we dont need 11 players like that, we need the odd player who can create and score out of nothing when the chips are down and the likes of PL, Novo can do that.

[pete 2,499]

I found myself thinking about the McLeish years recently. At the time it seemed to me like we had downsized so much but, while he certainly collected his share of deadwood, he had at his disposal players like Ronald de Boer, Mikel Arteta, Lorenzo Amoruso, Stephan Klos, Michael Mols.

 

Now here we are debating the merits or otherwise of Charlie Adam and Lee McCulloch, Kirk Broadfoot and Steven Whittaker. Wondering whether Webster might ever shake off his injuries or if Davie Weir's legs might last one more season. Our manager is wondering if he can offload five or six players to reduce the wage bill and afford Lee Wilkie.

 

The McLeish years now seem like some halcyon period indeed when you compare them to the bereft mess we're sliding into today. So maybe some fan being so annoyed that he occasionally says something he shouldn't about a player is a matter that should occupy less of our time than the incompetence driving the complete demise of this club.

 

If as much effort was put into protesting the mismanagement of Rangers as worrying about someone calling Charlie Adam an idiot then it would be a very fine day indeed.

 

Funny enough i was looking back on that period as well in the last few days for a piece i am working on and had the exact same thoughts. Even Nacho Novo's wage seems to be a hurdle these days. Arveladze Mols Arteta de Boer oh how i wish we had them today.