From Awesome to Terrible

[Gribz 745]

What is with the "anorak" comment ? You have a go at Jon for not debating the points and make a completely irrelevant comment.

 

Whats with the lying down comment first? And what was irrelevant?

 

Let me see.... YOU were the one who used Sebo as a comparison - and then you say he had a different role to play, thereby effectively retracting the comparison of the two.

 

Let me see....Erm Yes Sebo was giving that role and suceeded! Yet you lot think he was headless chicken because he actually put challenges in towards the celtic defence! What did tow boy do yesterday apart from look well out of his depth??

 

You want an answer ? NO, I don't think Sebo would have scored it because he is SHITE - a far worse player than Boyd, of that there is no doubt.

I think he would have scored it! Nobody can be right here! I also think Sebo would have done better with the pass that fell to Tow Boy's feet in the box during the first half where he just look and couldnt make a reaction!

 

He has contributed an enormous amount of goals to this team whilst no-one else looks like contributing goals consistently. But all you want is a scapegoat and Boyd is that man - lets forget the fact he has been one of our best players over the last couple of months - one game today and the knives are out

 

Yes against fuckin Hamilton etc!!!! Can you imagine Boyd scoring against Celtic or in the Champions League - which is where i expect Rangers stirkers to score - NO absolutely not! Boyd is his own scapegoat, he is an average run of the Mill SPL striker - proven! Not a striker worthy of a side to win the league nor in european competitions - until he gets records of FACTS than can debunk that theory then il say the same! Lets get real, he cant even do the basics! Yes he has had 5 good game recently and everyone has hard-ons about him - but look at where we are!!!

And yes he ISNT ISNT ISNT (FFS read previous posts) the worst scapegoat. How about actually quoting where i said Adam, Broadfoot, Whittker etc are worse!!!!

 

Mendes is "class" yet had been pish for 2 months after the last OF game and got ZERO abuse from you.

 

Mendes has arguably the toughest role - playmaker and ball winner! He is playing with poorer players than he is used to! The guy has talent and ability - nobody can deny that!!! But he is a bit like Bergkamp than he reads the game far better than his fellow players and is suffering. He cant do it all himself. He is the best player to pull on a Gers shirt this season by a mile!!! If we had Hutton, Cuellar and Thomson in the same team as him we would be top of the league!

 

 

Then, as for your Wallace, Dodds, Negri, Prso, Novo etc etc etc comment. Sure they all contributed goals but each of those players had better quality support from their midfield for the most part. Boyd can only work on the service he gets and our team has been pish for a long time yet Boyd is still the only one banging in goals. Would Novo chip in with 25 goals this season ? Doubtful. Prso ? Probably not.

 

Boyd got service!! I can recall a few times where he was given the ball and yet again did the usual - loose it!! And what about strikers working for there own service i.e. dropping deep, picking the ball up, laying off a pass!? What did tow Boy do??

And who is to say Novo/Prso wouldnt chip in with 25 goals if played in the midfield - again nobody can be right here coz its opinions. But id be putting my money on Prso doing a fuckin better job that Tow Boy anyway!!!

 

 

By the way, you are actually MORE anti-Boyd than Jon is pro-Boyd

Mind reader??? Done scientific research??? Ive been the first to say he has upped his game in recent 5 weeks or so but HAS to do it over a season - yet again ive been proved right as he was rank in an OF game!

 

The thing is, Im stating facts - Boyd isnt good enough to be in a league winning side, yet Jon would have him in a team ahead of the likes of Henry etc - thats been stating on here!!! Laughable!!!

 

Craig, are you in the same mind set that you believe in these shite players? The evidence is infront of us - we wont / cant win titles with average players and we have them in abumdance! Boyd is 1 of them! - Fact!

[Bluedell 5,408]

Boyd was pish today and apart from winning a couple of headers, contributed nothing. His first "big" game and he he failed (along with many others).

 

Perhaps Burley was right after all? There seems to be a level that he can play against, but he doesn't perform if up against a better team.

 

Miller doesn't look fit. Is he still struggling with his injury as he's not moving around the same way as he was before it?

[Gribz 745]

Boyd was pish today and apart from winning a couple of headers, contributed nothing. His first "big" game and he he failed (along with many others).

 

Perhaps Burley was right after all? There seems to be a level that he can play against, but he doesn't perform if up against a better team.

 

Miller doesn't look fit. Is he still struggling with his injury as he's not moving around the same way as he was before it?

 

Cheers mate! Ive been sitting wondering if i reacted too much, but your spot on!! :cheers:

[ascender 352]

Morning Gribz.

 

I don't think Mendes should be a ball winner, he should be left to do the creative stuff, especially with Ferguson back as he always like to drop deep. So it was pretty depressing to see Mendes having to drop back to try and win the ball yesterday when Fergie failed to turn up again.

 

Let's face it, nothing's going to change when Smith is in charge so why are we even bothering discussing things like giving younger players a chance or asking why Fergie walks straight back in to the team?

[Gribz 745]

Morning Gribz.

 

I don't think Mendes should be a ball winner, he should be left to do the creative stuff, especially with Ferguson back as he always like to drop deep. So it was pretty depressing to see Mendes having to drop back to try and win the ball yesterday when Fergie failed to turn up again.

 

Let's face it, nothing's going to change when Smith is in charge so why are we even bothering discussing things like giving younger players a chance or asking why Fergie walks straight back in to the team?

 

Morning Mike

 

Yip RE Fergie, IF Thomson was there we wouldnt have this discussion - but woulnd we - coz WS would play all 3???

[johnnyk 158]

Boyd was pish today and apart from winning a couple of headers, contributed nothing. His first "big" game and he he failed (along with many others).

 

Perhaps Burley was right after all? There seems to be a level that he can play against, but he doesn't perform if up against a better team.

 

Miller doesn't look fit. Is he still struggling with his injury as he's not moving around the same way as he was before it?

 

So if he took his 'chance' he would be ok? It was a good save IMO. he never exactly got many other chances to score against them as we hardly created anything for him. Long balls up to him is no good so why play them? Miller who in the past has been very good was very very bad and I agree doesn't look fit so why play him? Ally had a great scoring record against them purely because he got so many chances and missed more than he scored but he was playing in a far better team than we have now. we have been playing Boyd's strengths recently and he has been scoring so why change it at home against our biggest rivals? WS bottled it, if we went for it we would have wiped the floor with them IMO!

[Jon 0]

Agree with you again Johnny but without turning this into another Boyd thread (as has already been done) he was far far from the worst performer yesterday.

 

It's been ignored totally that I thought Whittaker and Adam were absolutely rank yesterday.

 

Sad to say I almost expect it of Adam now and find Whittaker sheer frustrating. I think he can do a lot better, has had some memorable moments but now he has had a wee run he has done nothing to justify a starting slot!

 

Re Ally and his record, it's second to none and will likely remain that way, but look who he was playing alongside and had in the rest of the team. (this is for another thread I think) but his strike partners that stand out for me were Hately, obviously. Fleck and Johnstone. We have no-one of that caliber to play alongside Boyd, let alone supply the opportunities from midfield.

 

 

edit: I'm sure Gribz will totally over look the bulk of this post going by yesterday and todays ramblings!

[maineflyer 0]

There's nothing like an inability to accept others may have different opinions to keep a thread rollicking along.

 

However, it is avoiding the real issues if we simply focus on one or two players. To lay the blame for yesterday at the feet of Kris Boyd is just nonsense, irrespective of what someone might think of Boyd's abilities. In the first place, you cannot judge a player's worth by his performance in one game, you can only judge his performance in that particular game. Secondly, we didn't lose to celtic because of Kris Boyd, we lost because we were ill-equipped to win as a team.

 

If you are the kind of person who seriously believes a 6' 4" striker should be played as a wide midfielder and that Steven Whittaker is a fullback or that McCulloch is a central defender, then you might understand some of our manager's decisions. If like me you think these and other team selections are outrageous, you might be on the track of the real problem.

 

You cannot fill the squad with mediocrity, use them poorly, and then expect those players to shoulder the blame for a manager who is at teh heart of most of our ills.

[Bluedell 5,408]

So if he took his 'chance' he would be ok? It was a good save IMO. he never exactly got many other chances to score against them as we hardly created anything for him. Long balls up to him is no good so why play them? Miller who in the past has been very good was very very bad and I agree doesn't look fit so why play him? Ally had a great scoring record against them purely because he got so many chances and missed more than he scored but he was playing in a far better team than we have now. we have been playing Boyd's strengths recently and he has been scoring so why change it at home against our biggest rivals? WS bottled it, if we went for it we would have wiped the floor with them IMO!

 

If he had scored then yes, he would have been OK. It's a bit like Broadfoot. If he hadn't let McDonald turn him then he would have had a good game.

 

Boyd did get some half chances in the first half that he did nothing with. McDonald had a half chance that he went on and did something with. That was the difference on the day.

 

As for the long balls issue, we seem to have been doing that for weeks. Totally crazy.

 

MF, I don't think anyone has said that Boyd is to blame. It's just an analysis of one player's performance in the same way as you raised the issue of Miller.

[maineflyer 0]

MF, I don't think anyone has said that Boyd is to blame. It's just an analysis of one player's performance in the same way as you raised the issue of Miller.

 

It was you who posted that "Boyd was pish today and apart from winning a couple of headers, contributed nothing. His first "big" game and he he failed"

 

All I said was that Miller should not be removed from culpability along with most of the rest of the team, which seems reasonable enough.