Bluedell 5,621 Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Does that mean if you sing eff tee pee and have a reasoned arguement to hand then you're not a bigot? Is bigotry the problem, or the fact that we feel obliged to alter our behaviour because others choose to label us as bigots? Just a thought. You may or may not a bigot, but if you go along to a football game and and shout it, it is very easy to be labelled as one, and there is nothing on the face of it to differentiate those who aren't bigots from those who are. It's just not particularly helpful, either to the club or to those who wish to make a serious point. If people want to make a point then why not change the words to something like "the pope causes aids in Africa"? Far more effective and fits in well to STB, but there are too many brain-dead out there who cannot see the big picture and refuse to express their feeling on any other way. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maineflyer 0 Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 You may or may not a bigot, but if you go along to a football game and and shout it, it is very easy to be labelled as one, and there is nothing on the face of it to differentiate those who aren't bigots from those who are. It's just not particularly helpful, either to the club or to those who wish to make a serious point. If people want to make a point then why not change the words to something like "the pope causes aids in Africa"? Far more effective and fits in well to STB, but there are too many brain-dead out there who cannot see the big picture and refuse to express their feeling on any other way. I'm sorry but are you being serious? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraser54 0 Posted August 3, 2008 Author Share Posted August 3, 2008 During the eff tee pee bit i sing as loud as i can " Walter Smith's Blue And White Army" fits in perfectly ! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 7,989 Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 A question - why shout eff tee pee at Ibrox at all? Surely if you have a disliking for the pontiff or care to publically state this dislike, surely this would be better shouted outside a chapel or somewhere the pope can actually hear your dislike of him or his teachings? Can't see the pope tuning into Radio Clyde for live commentry of the Rangers - so can't see how your public display of anti-popiness is going to get through to him... Cammy F 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maineflyer 0 Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 A question - why shout eff tee pee at Ibrox at all? Surely if you have a disliking for the pontiff or care to publically state this dislike, surely this would be better shouted outside a chapel or somewhere the pope can actually hear your dislike of him or his teachings? Can't see the pope tuning into Radio Clyde for live commentry of the Rangers - so can't see how your public display of anti-popiness is going to get through to him... Cammy F Personally. I don't think we should sing this at all. However, it's getting very tiresome hearing the precious bleating from those who are far too easily offended by those who do. This seems to be the age of the willingly offended and to see this needless posturing spread through the Rangers support is less than edifying. No one forces any supporter to sing any particular words or song. If you don't like it, don't sing it. If others choose to sing it, surely that's their business. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCF2008 0 Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 I think it's less to do with being offended and more to do with not wanting the club persecuted any further than it already has been. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maineflyer 0 Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 I think it's less to do with being offended and more to do with not wanting the club persecuted any further than it already has been. The club would never have been 'persecuted' if our owner hadn't swallowed the offended message hook, line and sinker. There are other clubs in Scotland whose fans sing much worse than you'll hear at Ibrox - but strangely no one seems to find offence or seek to persecute anyone. And if you're not offended, why should anyone else be? The whole offended nonsense is a sham. We all know it, so why do we tolerate it by acquiescing at every turn? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappa 0 Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Like someone else suggested, if you want to sing anti-catholic songs, you'd be doing everyone except catholics a favour if you did it outside your local chapels instead of at Ibrox. At least sort out some songs that aren't going to be deemed as sectarian by UEFA. I don't know, sing about their perversion for green & white corn flakes or small boys from Ireland or something. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCF2008 0 Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 The club would never have been 'persecuted' if our owner hadn't swallowed the offended message hook, line and sinker. So we should blame the current state of play on SDM? As far as I'm concerned he didn't have much option. As soon as UEFA stepped in, he could hardly deny any wrong doing on the part of our fans. If he had done so, we'd probably have been banned from Europe. As it was he held his hands up and told them that it was a problem which the club (and the other lot) had been trying to eradicate and had some success in doing so. As a result we've been able to continue to improve our standing in Europe and bring in the much needed revenues acquired from European football. There are other clubs in Scotland whose fans sing much worse than you'll hear at Ibrox - but strangely no one seems to find offence or seek to persecute anyone. This is true. Unfortunately the other lot haven't been called into question by UEFA yet. Maybe this would change if our militant minority would get their acts together and start making the right type of noises, preferably to the relevant authorities. There's no doubt in my mind that there has been a bias in the media over this subject, but this is partially because it's something which is difficult to defend. Bigotry is after all tantamount to racism. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maineflyer 0 Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 So we should blame the current state of play on SDM? As far as I'm concerned he didn't have much option. As soon as UEFA stepped in, he could hardly deny any wrong doing on the part of our fans. If he had done so, we'd probably have been banned from Europe. As it was he held his hands up and told them that it was a problem which the club (and the other lot) had been trying to eradicate and had some success in doing so. As a result we've been able to continue to improve our standing in Europe and bring in the much needed revenues acquired from European football. This is true. Unfortunately the other lot haven't been called into question by UEFA yet. Maybe this would change if our militant minority would get their acts together and start making the right type of noises, preferably to the relevant authorities. There's no doubt in my mind that there has been a bias in the media over this subject, but this is partially because it's something which is difficult to defend. Bigotry is after all tantamount to racism. sThat's a serious case of brainwashing you've got there. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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