Rangers board make another balls up

[Ready1314 96]

12 hours ago, L72 said:

Do you really not know? Or are you just trying to take some sort of position on the fence that ach it's all fine now?

 

Because I'm sure the countless Rangers supporters from Northern Ireland, that actually lost people in the Troubles, would argue that latter point.

 

Especially those that have to see the terrorist scum bastards that were involved in their loved one's deaths parading about as some sort of politician that just wants to do good.

 

I don't care how reformed they preach to be, they stood once, masked up with their banners and guns.

 

Someone earlier in this thread said should Rangers really turn down an MP, if they approached the club directly etc about whatever charity thing they were doing, just because we don't like that party or ideology?

 

Absofuckinglutely.

 

Where you drawing the line? Letting Hamas fundraisers happen?

Theres always one.

[L72 131]

3 minutes ago, Ready1314 said:

Theres always one.

Say what you mean mate. 

[ranger_syntax 4,783]

18 hours ago, compo said:

I don't know why fans should get upset about an IRA/Sinn Fein man in Ibrox that war is over the gubs won  the day Tony Blair's government surrendered by  signing up to the good Friday document in doing so giving mass murderers on both sides of the divide  exemption  for all crimes committed 

This charity visit is one of the terms imposed when Blair surrendered.

[compo 7,879]

1 minute ago, ranger_syntax said:

This charity visit is one of the terms imposed when Blair surrendered.

Let’s not forget all the innocent people murdered by the loyalist mobs either in places like Greysteel and McGurks bar and people like Victor Arbuckle an innocent policeman murdered by the UVF the first of many police officers murdered by terrorists what Blair’s government did was wrong we should still be hunting down the murderers from all sides 

[Ready1314 96]

2 hours ago, L72 said:

Say what you mean mate. 

Totally agree with everything you said , I meant theres always one of our '' support'' pandering to the filth.

Some of the things going on at the club now are mental , we must be up there with the most woke clubs in the whole of the UK.

[L72 131]

17 minutes ago, Ready1314 said:

Totally agree with everything you said , I meant theres always one of our '' support'' pandering to the filth.

Some of the things going on at the club now are mental , we must be up there with the most woke clubs in the whole of the UK.

Fair pal, thought you were meaning I was out of line for holding that opinion.

 

But yeah, there are always people willing to lay down everything people have stood, or even died for, in the name of appeasement or not wanting a bad name.

 

I say ram that, and if any Sinn Fein or IRA dick ever directly approaches us, no matter the circumstances, I expect them to be told to bolt.

Edited Thursday at 09:23 by L72

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9 hours ago, compo said:

Let’s not forget all the innocent people murdered by the loyalist mobs either in places like Greysteel and McGurks bar and people like Victor Arbuckle an innocent policeman murdered by the UVF the first of many police officers murdered by terrorists what Blair’s government did was wrong we should still be hunting down the murderers from all sides 

I agree with you about the innocent murdered by both sides, a fact often ignored by some on here.

[JohnMc 3,178]

I lived just north of Belfast for a few years during the 1990s. I was there during the 'end' of the troubles and for the Good Friday Agreement, indeed I voted in favour of it. 

There were 322 people killed during the 1990s alone, 854 during the 80s and over 2,000 in the 1970s. Everyone in Northern Ireland was affected, directly or indirectly. As a Glaswegian I arrogantly thought I had a grasp of the place before I went, I didn't. Like so much in life Northern Ireland is far more nuanced and complicated than some like to portray it. 

The Good Friday (or Belfast) Agreement was a compromise. It was very difficult for some people to accept it, I knew people who couldn't. I understood why too. For me it came down to stopping the killing. Those numbers of dead above, that would have continued. There are people today alive who otherwise wouldn't be. It's that simple. 

No one got what they wanted. Republicans had to admit they weren't getting a 'united Ireland' through violence, the only way that was going to happen was through democratic means and that might take generations, if ever. Unionists had to accept that a 'united Ireland' was a legitimate aim as long as it was achieved through the ballot box. Everyone had to accept murderers, sociopaths, gangsters and monsters were not only going to get away with their crimes, but be allowed into civil society, take up important roles of state and have their past whitewashed. 

Northern Ireland is a better place to live in today than it was when I moved there. It's certainly not perfect, far from it, but police officers can now tell their neighbours what they do for a living, teenagers can work anywhere in the city without the genuine fear they could be abducted and murdered on their way home. That's progress, believe it or not. 

 

The price of this is accepting people who were responsible for a lot of the violence, anger and murder now have important roles, make decisions, and walk like statesmen and women. It's a bitter, bitter pill, but surely better than the alternative. I think so, at least. 

[buster. 5,598]

36 minutes ago, JohnMc said:

I lived just north of Belfast for a few years during the 1990s. I was there during the 'end' of the troubles and for the Good Friday Agreement, indeed I voted in favour of it. 

There were 322 people killed during the 1990s alone, 854 during the 80s and over 2,000 in the 1970s. Everyone in Northern Ireland was affected, directly or indirectly. As a Glaswegian I arrogantly thought I had a grasp of the place before I went, I didn't. Like so much in life Northern Ireland is far more nuanced and complicated than some like to portray it. 

The Good Friday (or Belfast) Agreement was a compromise. It was very difficult for some people to accept it, I knew people who couldn't. I understood why too. For me it came down to stopping the killing. Those numbers of dead above, that would have continued. There are people today alive who otherwise wouldn't be. It's that simple. 

No one got what they wanted. Republicans had to admit they weren't getting a 'united Ireland' through violence, the only way that was going to happen was through democratic means and that might take generations, if ever. Unionists had to accept that a 'united Ireland' was a legitimate aim as long as it was achieved through the ballot box. Everyone had to accept murderers, sociopaths, gangsters and monsters were not only going to get away with their crimes, but be allowed into civil society, take up important roles of state and have their past whitewashed. 

Northern Ireland is a better place to live in today than it was when I moved there. It's certainly not perfect, far from it, but police officers can now tell their neighbours what they do for a living, teenagers can work anywhere in the city without the genuine fear they could be abducted and murdered on their way home. That's progress, believe it or not. 

 

The price of this is accepting people who were responsible for a lot of the violence, anger and murder now have important roles, make decisions, and walk like statesmen and women. It's a bitter, bitter pill, but surely better than the alternative. I think so, at least. 

Well said John !

 

As a marine, I did 2 six month tours in the early 80's in West Belfast and down by the border. Haven't been in years but it can only be better with relative peace.

 

Diplomacy to stop killing and mayhem, always very difficult, seems to be a dying art.

[26th of foot 6,220]

Similar to Buster, between 1978 and 1990 I completed six tours of the Province; two six month affairs, the rest were 3-4 emergency stints.

 

Sinn Fein/IRA came to the table and signed the Good Friday peace deal because they had ran out of road, they had no room to manoeuvre. The Int' chaps, the crystal gazers always spouted the IRA needed at least 2,0000 operatives to stay relevant and effective. We are talking balaclavas on the trigger, bomb makers and layers, recce' groupings, safe house holders, watchers, sympathetic farmers, Doctors, medical professionals, drivers, journos, quartermasters, artificers, .......................... etc. By 1990, the IRA had over 1,500 folks in GB, Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland, Euro, North, Central and, South American jails. There were a few dozen more banged up in the tin pails of Australia, South Africa, Canada and, New Zealand.

 

A few spectaculars, the Barrington sniper rifle campaign and, the desperate proxy bombings were the last gasps. Danny Morrison, the broth of a bhoy that came up with, "who in this room would disagree if the Provos took control on the island of Ireland with an Armalite in one hand and the ballot box ion the other" was in the jail for conducting a pistol whipping a catholic pensioner in a Sinn Fein office, who refused the use of his house as the base for an ambush. The IRA were defeated by professionalism.

 

The civil authority in the UK lost the peace because Blair washed his hands after signing the peace deal. Paul Maskey at Ibrox and a former member of my Regiment facing charges for actions on the day of Bloody Sunday are evidence of that fact.