Match Thread [FT] Rangers 0 - 2 Hibernian

[CammyF 9,251]

12 minutes ago, L72 said:

With all due respect mate, you seem to be a fucking idiot, that cannot read what is written Infront of you and decide to interpret things in your own weird way.

 

Where have I ever said about flinging loads of money at it? Go and look at my post to CammyF, it was never about flinging money at it, it was actually about running the club properly, which although those shite people may have kept the lights on, they fucked up so badly that they needed soft loans to do it. 

 

Being a good owner doesn't mean flinging money at something, fundamentals of the club were wrong at all levels, spending money on legacy projects etc rather than consolidating from a winning position under Gerrard for example, taking a gamble that the squad would do it again and deciding not to invest in the squad, all basic stuff that wasn't looked after.

 

Shambles of a football department for a club of our size, trying to compensate by using daft AI software and ending up with one of the worst injury laden few years I've seen at the club.

 

Please stop contributing mate, you're utterly clueless.

Buster will never admit that the reason they need to keep the lights on is 100% down to them continually making bad decisions. 

 

It's nothing to do with unrealistic or impatient fans, it's everything to do with bad decision, after bad decision. 

[L72 68]

9 minutes ago, CammyF said:

Buster will never admit that the reason they need to keep the lights on is 100% down to them continually making bad decisions. 

 

It's nothing to do with unrealistic or impatient fans, it's everything to do with bad decision, after bad decision. 

Indeed. They had the opportunity to turn how the club was being run around when they took over from the spivs.

 

However, they in turn made multiple wrong decisions, spaffed money up the wall, fumbled the football department and the major decisions in managers, coaches, player recruitment, scouting network etc.

 

They fucked it all, they were originally heroes, the Rangers men saviours.

 

Became spivs themselves.

[CammyF 9,251]

23 minutes ago, L72 said:

Indeed. They had the opportunity to turn how the club was being run around when they took over from the spivs.

 

However, they in turn made multiple wrong decisions, spaffed money up the wall, fumbled the football department and the major decisions in managers, coaches, player recruitment, scouting network etc.

 

They fucked it all, they were originally heroes, the Rangers men saviours.

 

Became spivs themselves.

And unfortunately, that will be their legacy 

[Rousseau 11,564]

57 minutes ago, L72 said:

With all due respect mate, you seem to be a fucking idiot, that cannot read what is written Infront of you and decide to interpret things in your own weird way.

 

Where have I ever said about flinging loads of money at it? Go and look at my post to CammyF, it was never about flinging money at it, it was actually about running the club properly, which although those shite people may have kept the lights on, they fucked up so badly that they needed soft loans to do it. 

 

Being a good owner doesn't mean flinging money at something, fundamentals of the club were wrong at all levels, spending money on legacy projects etc rather than consolidating from a winning position under Gerrard for example, taking a gamble that the squad would do it again and deciding not to invest in the squad, all basic stuff that wasn't looked after.

 

Shambles of a football department for a club of our size, trying to compensate by using daft AI software and ending up with one of the worst injury laden few years I've seen at the club.

 

Please stop contributing mate, you're utterly clueless.

Cut out the personal insults, please. 

 

We don't do that here. 

[L72 68]

14 minutes ago, Rousseau said:

Cut out the personal insults, please. 

 

We don't do that here. 

Fair enough mate 👍🏻 it was just pissing me off that he keeps defaulting to must want money flung at us, praise those that kept the lights on etc.

 

Like battering yer head off a wall, just want us ran properly, not much to ask for 😫

[Rousseau 11,564]

I feel one can hold both positions at the same time: we have undoubtedly been mismanaged for far too long, but we're also incredibly impatient, hence the fact we get naive calls for a rebuild every season.

 

We shouldn't be throwing the baby out with the bathwater, though. I think there have been some good ideas more recently with Bennett and Jean-Luc that should be developed, irrespective of the takeover (preferably with). I think the aim of financial self-sufficiency is vital, and we have the foundations of a better recruitment and Academy strategy being implemented.

 

I do think the best aspect of the takeover is the potential of having strong leadership and direction with regards to the strategy. I think we've been pulled this way and that for too long as a result of not having a clear leader. Of course, we don't want to be beholden to the whims of one owner again, but someone to take charge of the overall direction is key.

[compo 7,820]

Haven’t heard anyone coming to the conclusion that on the day Hibs were the better team two shots at goal two goals that’s 100% striking ,best team won .

[CammyF 9,251]

34 minutes ago, Rousseau said:

I feel one can hold both positions at the same time: we have undoubtedly been mismanaged for far too long, but we're also incredibly impatient, hence the fact we get naive calls for a rebuild every season.

 

We shouldn't be throwing the baby out with the bathwater, though. I think there have been some good ideas more recently with Bennett and Jean-Luc that should be developed, irrespective of the takeover (preferably with). I think the aim of financial self-sufficiency is vital, and we have the foundations of a better recruitment and Academy strategy being implemented.

 

I do think the best aspect of the takeover is the potential of having strong leadership and direction with regards to the strategy. I think we've been pulled this way and that for too long as a result of not having a clear leader. Of course, we don't want to be beholden to the whims of one owner again, but someone to take charge of the overall direction is key.

I don't get this "call for a rebuild" every season. If the manager is not doing their job, they need removed. It was obvious Clement want what we needed, the only recent manager who may have been fired too soon was Gio.

 

This season wasn't a rebuild, it was a downsizing of an already tired and depleted squad due to wages.

 

We have players who we can build around (we will argue to the cows come home who these are) but what we do need is a coach with a system that gets players fit and play a fast attacking style of football.

 

Other than that, I would agree with everything else you said. 

[Sutton_blows_goats 6,065]

2 hours ago, buster. said:

What would you call owners who instead of splashing the cash, insisted on relative austerity whilst asking for patience?

 

5 hours ago, buster. said:

Bottom line, we need to stop losing around 10M a year.

 

Its not difficult.

[Rousseau 11,564]

51 minutes ago, CammyF said:

I don't get this "call for a rebuild" every season. If the manager is not doing their job, they need removed. It was obvious Clement want what we needed, the only recent manager who may have been fired too soon was Gio.

 

This season wasn't a rebuild, it was a downsizing of an already tired and depleted squad due to wages.

 

We have players who we can build around (we will argue to the cows come home who these are) but what we do need is a coach with a system that gets players fit and play a fast attacking style of football.

 

Other than that, I would agree with everything else you said. 

I see a rebuild as being the remit of the DoF - or Koppen in our case, until we fill the DoF position - a level above the manager. 

 

If a manager is not doing his job - as in the case of PC - then he should be moved on. 

 

That shouldn't disrupt the rebuild. 

 

I saw this season as the first phase of a rebuild in the sense we were clearing the deadwood. I understand the downsizing criticism, but it could be argued that was needed in any case. We now need to sign first team quality and let the young core develop.