JohnMc 3,118 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) 3 hours ago, ranger_syntax said: This, as I recall, was the actual wording. This is as close as we get to a problem. I wouldn't be surprised if it had a non-obvious association. I would be surprised if it had anything to do with Turks. Why not talk us through the way you see it? I've no idea what 'defend Europe' means either, but it's open to interpretation. Keep - retain, maintain, resist Woke - fuck knows what they mean, dog whistle term for something that wasn't around in the 1950s. Foreign - something not of this country, not of this culture, different from 'us'. This is the problematic word for me. If it had said 'keep woke ideologies out' it's political, the use of the word foreign changes the meaning for me. Ideology - a concept or system of ideas. Out - away, not near us. As I said only those who wrote it know what they meant, but its ambiguity is a problem, it can be read a number of ways and one of those ways is as racism. Edited March 19 by JohnMc 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMc 3,118 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 7 minutes ago, Ready1314 said: Course I read it , its usually the only time we hear from them. Did you actually see the way our players were treated once again and not a thing was said about it. "Further, the club has also been charged by UEFA for the throwing of objects at the home match with Fenerbahce. This is becoming a regular occurrence, not just at Rangers matches, but across stadia in Scotland. Indeed, our players and staff were targeted with missiles at Parkhead on Sunday." Literally in that statement. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger_syntax 4,719 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 4 hours ago, JohnMc said: As for 'keep foreign ideologies out' how anyone can read that as anything other than racist is beyond me. 3 minutes ago, JohnMc said: As I said only those who wrote it know what they meant, but its ambiguity is a problem, it can be read a number of ways and one of those ways is as racism. I think this discussion has made you more open minded. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger_syntax 4,719 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 6 minutes ago, JohnMc said: Foreign - something not of this country, not of this culture, different from 'us'. This is the problematic word for me. If it had said 'keep woke ideologies out' it's political, the use of the word foreign changes the meaning for me. I think a 'foreign ideology' is distinct from race. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexscottislegend 2,623 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 8 minutes ago, ranger_syntax said: I think a 'foreign ideology' is distinct from race. The lack of specificity is a problem. I desire to know what the antonym of woke is. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uilleam 6,281 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Perhaps the banner would have made more sense if it had said "...woke AND foreign ideologies, both, out..." I am told that the banner was made, and displayed, by 'The Rangers' Riot Squad', or some group similarly named; allying that to the lack of clarity -confusion- in meaning, means that, really, I don't give a fuck, beyond the negative impact that it will have on the Club, and on the image of the support generally. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ready1314 68 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 53 minutes ago, JohnMc said: "Further, the club has also been charged by UEFA for the throwing of objects at the home match with Fenerbahce. This is becoming a regular occurrence, not just at Rangers matches, but across stadia in Scotland. Indeed, our players and staff were targeted with missiles at Parkhead on Sunday." Literally in that statement. Show me the bit where they condemned their supporters for the racial bigotry as they walked into the stadium and the missiles that were thrown at them at the final whistle. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 6,001 Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 4 hours ago, JohnMc said: In that case you should ask the club. I don't think that's what the banners was about but who knows, maybe it was. I haven't a clue what the banners was about, but, like you, I doubt it was that. I may well ask the club about it. If they're really serious about it, then perhaps they need separate toilets so that it's not impinging in women's rights. JK Rowling Loyal 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 6,001 Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 3 hours ago, Uilleam said: Perhaps the banner would have made more sense if it had said "...woke AND foreign ideologies, both, out..." I am told that the banner was made, and displayed, by 'The Rangers' Riot Squad', or some group similarly named; allying that to the lack of clarity -confusion- in meaning, means that, really, I don't give a fuck, beyond the negative impact that it will have on the Club, and on the image of the support generally. Are the RRC part of the UBs, or totally separate? Does anyone know? I thought they were part of it, but now I'm not so sure. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMc 3,118 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 14 hours ago, ranger_syntax said: I think a 'foreign ideology' is distinct from race. Maybe, but it's semantics and I doubt UEFA will see it that way. I also doubt the club will make a defence based around whatever the banner meant, I suspect they'll point to the fact the club aims to be as inclusive as possible and the banner wasn't sanctioned and has been criticised and hope for leniency. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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