JohnMc 3,190 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 23 minutes ago, L72 said: Because we got cash, Souness, Walter etc, and absolutely fucking romped the lot. That's what kept the status quo, no us signing Mojo 😂 Btw it doesn't make you a bigot to want your own culture/religion catered to as well. Go on then, what part of your culture isn't being catered for? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L72 140 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Just now, buster. said: Especially when those celebrating the culture are thick enough to give them something to be offended by. You've skipped over the bulk of everything else there pal. Our club encouraged a very staunch supporter based, Unionism, Loyalists, Monarchists. The very essence of the Union Flag is offensive to some people. Sometimes you just need to say tough. Our culture is our culture and if people don't like it or feel it's anti their beliefs, I think they're being intolerant bigots tbqfhwy. Cool game this. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 5,606 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 (edited) 2 minutes ago, L72 said: You've skipped over the bulk of everything else there pal. Our club encouraged a very staunch supporter based, Unionism, Loyalists, Monarchists. The very essence of the Union Flag is offensive to some people. Sometimes you just need to say tough. Our culture is our culture and if people don't like it or feel it's anti their beliefs, I think they're being intolerant bigots tbqfhwy. Cool game this. And you are skipping over THE salient point. If people can't behave properly (bigotry) they shouldn't moan when they don't get their way..... And if they do, it shows them to be even more stupid. Edited April 2 by buster. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L72 140 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Just now, buster. said: And you are skipping over THE salient point. If people can't behave properly (bigotry) they shouldn't moan when they don't get their way. You implied people can't behave. I simply said it's not bigotry to want your own traditions and beliefs catered to. You've added on all the drivel and what ifs. You seem intolerant mate. Sort yourself out. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 5,606 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Just now, L72 said: You implied people can't behave. I simply said it's not bigotry to want your own traditions and beliefs catered to. You've added on all the drivel and what ifs. You seem intolerant mate. Sort yourself out. It is bigotry if your celebrations are anti another religion.... And too often they are. No wonder the club want little to do with it. If we dropped the bigotry, I would more understand the point you are making. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEARGER 1,898 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 4 hours ago, JohnMc said: For the first 40 or so years of our existence Rangers were no more Protestant a club than Partick Thistle or Falkirk or Arbroath were. The later arrival of that Protestant identity was down to a number of factors. Rangers rise from being simply another football club to being recognised as one the most attractive to watch and the success that brought. Queen's Park's decision to remain amateur and not embrace professionalism. Queen's Park were one of the most famous clubs in the country, hugely influential and successful in football's formative years. By the turn on the 20th century they were already struggling to attract the calibre of player they were used to and losing support. Partick Thistle moving from Partick to Maryhill. Glasgow was a city of 'incomers' in the early 20th century. Family allegiances to clubs didn't yet exist in the way we see them today. Men, and it was almost exclusively men, would finish work on Saturday and many would go and watch a game close to them. Maryhill was a lot harder to get to from Partick and the west of the city, Govan had great transport links and an attractive and successful football team. So thousands of men went to watch Rangers and a habit was formed. Rangers started to attract supporters from all across the city. Not being Celtic. Celtic were successful almost from the day they first played. They had lots of money and were clearly looking to attract the Irish Catholic population of the city, something they did successfully. Many of those not from that background didn't see Celtic as the club for them. Irish home rule became increasingly divisive politically and increased a feeling of 'them and us' in cities with big Irish populations, like Glasgow. Protestant immigration from the north of Ireland. Around a quarter of all the Irish who came to Scotland were Protestant. Many brought with them their culture, for some that included Orange institutions, with numbers swelling during the late 19th and early 20th century. So Rangers changed as it's support changed. We became the 'Protestant' club and the unionist club. We didn't set out that way, it was simply that the city changed around us. The city is changing again, those of us who live in Glasgow can't help but notice. At the same time our players are changing too. My formative years watching Rangers the entire starting 11 were Scots. Robert Pryrz and John McClelland were seen as exotic. My son's heroes are Columbian, Moroccan, Nigerian and Cameroonian. Whether some like it or not our support is changing too. I know supporters who have no religion, indeed strongly dislike organised religion. I know supporters who are strong Scottish nationalists. Supporters who are Marxists. I know practicing Roman Catholics who support Rangers, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs and or course Muslims. Many of these people have no attachment to loyalism, Orangism, even Unionism. But I've yet to hear one of them say they want to see Red Hands and Union flags banned from Ibrox, or loyalist songs banned. If your culture is so threatened by our club welcoming a small number of its supporters to enjoy a cultural and religious ceremony then maybe it's got bigger problems. You are spot on. As Heraclitus said “ change is the only constant in life”, it seems that some in our support are stuck in the past, the world has changed, Scotland has changed as has the Rangers support. My old mate has sat in the Copland for many many years, he’s a Marxist as am I. The guy young guy(29) I go to games with attended a RC school, he’s now like 40% of our support non religious. In the Scottish referendum it was said by pollsters that 40% of Rangers fans voted yes. As usual those who make the most noise think they’re in the ascendancy, a surprise awaits them. I have nothing against people following any religion, I can remember a time when OO marches were huge not now. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMc 3,190 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 7 minutes ago, L72 said: You implied people can't behave. I simply said it's not bigotry to want your own traditions and beliefs catered to. You've added on all the drivel and what ifs. You seem intolerant mate. Sort yourself out. I'll try again. What aspects of your traditions and beliefs aren't being catered for? You keep alluding to this. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L72 140 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 1 minute ago, buster. said: It is bigotry if your celebrations are anti another religion.... And too often they are. No wonder the club want little to do with it. If we dropped the bigotry, I would more understand the point you are making. Most things in the world are pro something and anti something else. Every nation, is built and revered on stories of past glories, which in almost every case was to the detriment or expense of another country. Your perfect world seems to be a world that has no patriotism, no nation flags, no defining borders, just one big happy shitshow, where everyone accepts and understands each others beliefs and ideologies, while not actually knowing what their own beliefs are, case they be labeled a bigot. News flash, you live in the real world. I'm proud of my Protestant beliefs, I'm proud to be British, and I proudly support our Royal Family. So while you live in your bubble of imagination... Alexa! Play The Sash 🖕🏻🍻 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 5,606 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 (edited) 3 minutes ago, L72 said: Most things in the world are pro something and anti something else. Every nation, is built and revered on stories of past glories, which in almost every case was to the detriment or expense of another country. Your perfect world seems to be a world that has no patriotism, no nation flags, no defining borders, just one big happy shitshow, where everyone accepts and understands each others beliefs and ideologies, while not actually knowing what their own beliefs are, case they be labeled a bigot. News flash, you live in the real world. I'm proud of my Protestant beliefs, I'm proud to be British, and I proudly support our Royal Family. So while you live in your bubble of imagination... Alexa! Play The Sash 🖕🏻🍻 Ask Alexa to address the salient point, because you obviously can't or don't want to. Edited April 2 by buster. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7 6,680 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 46 minutes ago, buster. said: No, never said that. Nor do I think it is the case. I know. I spake in jest. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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