Bluedell 6,038 Posted Monday at 13:16 Author Share Posted Monday at 13:16 On 31/03/2025 at 13:00, L72 said: They said racist/discriminatory. Which it was neither. It doesn't discriminate based on any groups or protected minorities, and it doesn't racially go against any groups. Expand You said "Basically anything incompatible with Western cultures" so presumably it discriminates against non-Western cultures. You may or may not agree, but there's certainly an argument to suggest that it does. There's enough dubiety about the (poorly written) banner that it makes it very difficult to argue otherwise. On 31/03/2025 at 13:00, L72 said: Expand On 31/03/2025 at 13:00, L72 said: I'll say that perhaps we shouldn't play these games with UEFA's ball effectively, Expand If you don't think Ranger should be taking part in UEFA competitions then fine, stay away from these games. It's your choice. On 31/03/2025 at 13:00, L72 said: but if that banner had gone up in a domestic game, is anyone batting an eyelid? Expand Probably not, which makes the displaying of the banner even more stupid. Why show it in a game when the club is going to get punished? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacK1950 2,449 Posted Monday at 13:17 Share Posted Monday at 13:17 I go to Ibrox to watch football! not to hve political shit rammed down my throat.If they want to show their feelings go elsewhere and don't leave the chance of stand closures. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L72 30 Posted Monday at 13:45 Share Posted Monday at 13:45 On 31/03/2025 at 13:16, Bluedell said: You said "Basically anything incompatible with Western cultures" so presumably it discriminates against non-Western cultures. You may or may not agree, but there's certainly an argument to suggest that it does. There's enough dubiety about the (poorly written) banner that it makes it very difficult to argue otherwise. If you don't think Ranger should be taking part in UEFA competitions then fine, stay away from these games. It's your choice. Probably not, which makes the displaying of the banner even more stupid. Why show it in a game when the club is going to get punished? Expand You've read that wrong entirely, try again. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 6,038 Posted Monday at 14:03 Author Share Posted Monday at 14:03 On 31/03/2025 at 13:45, L72 said: You've read that wrong entirely, try again. Expand Not sure what I've read wrong, but there's certainly enough dubiety about the meaning of the banner that makes it easy for UEFA to claim that it's discriminatory. You've got your interpretation of it, others have theirs and UEFA have theirs. Who is to say which one is correct? If we're spending our time arguing about the meaning then the argument with UEFA is already lost. It's a badly written banner and it's left the club open to be punished. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger_syntax 4,750 Posted Monday at 14:05 Share Posted Monday at 14:05 On 31/03/2025 at 13:17, MacK1950 said: I go to Ibrox to watch football! not to hve political [****] rammed down my throat.If they want to show their feelings go elsewhere and don't leave the chance of stand closures. Expand I'm not sure how to phrase this diplomatically. I'll just leave it. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L72 30 Posted Monday at 14:19 Share Posted Monday at 14:19 On 31/03/2025 at 14:03, Bluedell said: Not sure what I've read wrong, but there's certainly enough dubiety about the meaning of the banner that makes it easy for UEFA to claim that it's discriminatory. You've got your interpretation of it, others have theirs and UEFA have theirs. Who is to say which one is correct? If we're spending our time arguing about the meaning then the argument with UEFA is already lost. It's a badly written banner and it's left the club open to be punished. Expand You've looked at it and read it as we shouldn't play in UEFA competitions, that's incorrect. Look at it properly you'll see my point was we shouldn't have done it in UEFA competition 👍🏻 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger_syntax 4,750 Posted Monday at 14:33 Share Posted Monday at 14:33 On 31/03/2025 at 12:22, L72 said: Sharia Courts, first cousin marriages, underage marriages Expand Nobody else describes these things as woke. I think this is, staunch U.E.F.A. men aside, why many are confused by the banner. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil's advocaat 1,801 Posted Monday at 14:43 Share Posted Monday at 14:43 On 31/03/2025 at 14:33, ranger_syntax said: Nobody else describes these things as woke. Expand 'Woke' seems to be basically used to describe anything that the hard of thinking don't really like. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaBoy 2,503 Posted Monday at 14:52 Share Posted Monday at 14:52 On 31/03/2025 at 14:43, Devil's advocaat said: 'Woke' seems to be basically used to describe anything that the hard of thinking don't really like. Expand I think it is more that the hard of thinking coalesce around a particular ideology, because they struggle to think for themselves and cannot reason why anyone would challenge them or their faulty worldview. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L72 30 Posted Monday at 15:22 Share Posted Monday at 15:22 On 31/03/2025 at 14:33, ranger_syntax said: Nobody else describes these things as woke. I think this is, staunch U.E.F.A. men aside, why many are confused by the banner. Expand Woke means overly sensitive. I.e people are shooting down anyone against those types of things as fascist/racist. When really, it's a normal thing to oppose. Overly sensitive woke types allow these foreign ideologies in 👍🏻 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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