Bluedell 6,033 Posted Monday at 13:16 Author Share Posted Monday at 13:16 9 minutes ago, L72 said: They said racist/discriminatory. Which it was neither. It doesn't discriminate based on any groups or protected minorities, and it doesn't racially go against any groups. You said "Basically anything incompatible with Western cultures" so presumably it discriminates against non-Western cultures. You may or may not agree, but there's certainly an argument to suggest that it does. There's enough dubiety about the (poorly written) banner that it makes it very difficult to argue otherwise. 12 minutes ago, L72 said: 12 minutes ago, L72 said: I'll say that perhaps we shouldn't play these games with UEFA's ball effectively, If you don't think Ranger should be taking part in UEFA competitions then fine, stay away from these games. It's your choice. 14 minutes ago, L72 said: but if that banner had gone up in a domestic game, is anyone batting an eyelid? Probably not, which makes the displaying of the banner even more stupid. Why show it in a game when the club is going to get punished? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacK1950 2,447 Posted Monday at 13:17 Share Posted Monday at 13:17 I go to Ibrox to watch football! not to hve political shit rammed down my throat.If they want to show their feelings go elsewhere and don't leave the chance of stand closures. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L72 20 Posted Monday at 13:45 Share Posted Monday at 13:45 28 minutes ago, Bluedell said: You said "Basically anything incompatible with Western cultures" so presumably it discriminates against non-Western cultures. You may or may not agree, but there's certainly an argument to suggest that it does. There's enough dubiety about the (poorly written) banner that it makes it very difficult to argue otherwise. If you don't think Ranger should be taking part in UEFA competitions then fine, stay away from these games. It's your choice. Probably not, which makes the displaying of the banner even more stupid. Why show it in a game when the club is going to get punished? You've read that wrong entirely, try again. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 6,033 Posted Monday at 14:03 Author Share Posted Monday at 14:03 9 minutes ago, L72 said: You've read that wrong entirely, try again. Not sure what I've read wrong, but there's certainly enough dubiety about the meaning of the banner that makes it easy for UEFA to claim that it's discriminatory. You've got your interpretation of it, others have theirs and UEFA have theirs. Who is to say which one is correct? If we're spending our time arguing about the meaning then the argument with UEFA is already lost. It's a badly written banner and it's left the club open to be punished. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger_syntax 4,731 Posted Monday at 14:05 Share Posted Monday at 14:05 46 minutes ago, MacK1950 said: I go to Ibrox to watch football! not to hve political [****] rammed down my throat.If they want to show their feelings go elsewhere and don't leave the chance of stand closures. I'm not sure how to phrase this diplomatically. I'll just leave it. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L72 20 Posted Monday at 14:19 Share Posted Monday at 14:19 15 minutes ago, Bluedell said: Not sure what I've read wrong, but there's certainly enough dubiety about the meaning of the banner that makes it easy for UEFA to claim that it's discriminatory. You've got your interpretation of it, others have theirs and UEFA have theirs. Who is to say which one is correct? If we're spending our time arguing about the meaning then the argument with UEFA is already lost. It's a badly written banner and it's left the club open to be punished. You've looked at it and read it as we shouldn't play in UEFA competitions, that's incorrect. Look at it properly you'll see my point was we shouldn't have done it in UEFA competition 👍🏻 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger_syntax 4,731 Posted Monday at 14:33 Share Posted Monday at 14:33 2 hours ago, L72 said: Sharia Courts, first cousin marriages, underage marriages Nobody else describes these things as woke. I think this is, staunch U.E.F.A. men aside, why many are confused by the banner. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil's advocaat 1,795 Posted Monday at 14:43 Share Posted Monday at 14:43 9 minutes ago, ranger_syntax said: Nobody else describes these things as woke. 'Woke' seems to be basically used to describe anything that the hard of thinking don't really like. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaBoy 2,503 Posted Monday at 14:52 Share Posted Monday at 14:52 3 minutes ago, Devil's advocaat said: 'Woke' seems to be basically used to describe anything that the hard of thinking don't really like. I think it is more that the hard of thinking coalesce around a particular ideology, because they struggle to think for themselves and cannot reason why anyone would challenge them or their faulty worldview. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L72 20 Posted Monday at 15:22 Share Posted Monday at 15:22 48 minutes ago, ranger_syntax said: Nobody else describes these things as woke. I think this is, staunch U.E.F.A. men aside, why many are confused by the banner. Woke means overly sensitive. I.e people are shooting down anyone against those types of things as fascist/racist. When really, it's a normal thing to oppose. Overly sensitive woke types allow these foreign ideologies in 👍🏻 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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