CammyF 9,166 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 24 minutes ago, Rousseau said: Filth. Have you got a link so I can avoid it... In that case, don't look up Shay Mitchell on any social media platforms 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 5,457 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 3 hours ago, CammyF said: Plan A had about a decade and it failed and failed spectacularly. So much so, we are left in a situation where the only way our club can move forward is via new external investment - the current CEO, Chairman and board have admitted as much. The support have been patient. Year on year season ticket renewals, huge increase in merchandise sales, top price European tickets, with only 3 trophies and a EL Final in that decade to show for our patience. There are a lot of "ifs' and 'buts' about this takeover, but what is certain is that its (currently) our only option simply due to Plan A failing. Bennet wanted to change direction from what you talk about. Summer 2024. It took him too long to push for the change but he got there in the end. Austerity, real push for sustainability and indepndent CEO. I am not saying it would have been successful, but it was an option. Not seriously considered in the end because we want jam today. The irony is that I think we'll need to be patient with the proposed takeover as well. _---------- The support are NOT patient. Don't mistake repeated disappointed resignation, post latest failure, for patience. The support have been incredibly loyal but their, at times, unrealistic expectations have brought pressure to bear and contributed to bad decision making. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 9,166 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) 9 hours ago, buster. said: Bennet wanted to change direction from what you talk about. Summer 2024. It took him too long to push for the change but he got there in the end. Austerity, real push for sustainability and indepndent CEO. I am not saying it would have been successful, but it was an option. Not seriously considered in the end because we want jam today. The irony is that I think we'll need to be patient with the proposed takeover as well. _---------- The support are NOT patient. Don't mistake repeated disappointed resignation, post latest failure, for patience. The support have been incredibly loyal but their, at times, unrealistic expectations have brought pressure to bear and contributed to bad decision making. What unrealistic expectations? The board themselves have stated that external investment is the ONLY way forward. Are they being impatient as well? It was always going to "end" like this from the day they rescued us from the Spivs. It should have ended a few years ago (probably when we won 55) but they held on to the reigns too long. They were 100% the correct people to get us away from the spivs and back on track, but 100% not the correct people to control the club medium to long-term. Whether this takeover is what's required, only time will tell but there is now no other option. That's not down to fans being impatient is mostly down to the current incumbents inability / limitations running a football club. Edited March 4 by CammyF 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JohnMc 3,089 Posted March 4 Popular Post Share Posted March 4 (edited) I sometimes wonder what might have happened if the support had actually backed the manager(s) and the players over the last 3 and bit seasons, instead of turning on them after every set back and poor result. I find it staggering that anyone would claim our support aren't impatient, that's a real lack of self awareness on display. There's literally a thread describing at least 10 of players as 'no hopers and non triers'. Six of those players are full current internationalists, but aye, no hopers. We are literally the poster boys for impatience, we will turn on players after a couple of poor games, a manager will get a month, maybe 6 weeks and if we're not performing the knives will be sharpened. Anyone who doesn't think we'll turn on these proposed new owners with a fury they can't comprehend yet if they fail to back a manager or sell a favourite player simply doesn't understand our support. We are passive in terms of wanting to actually get involved in running and making our club better, but very vocal in making our unhappiness known when those who do fall short of our perceived standards. The Rangers support, of who I am proud to call myself one, have many good points and are unfairly maligned by others, but let's not pretend we're a patient support, we're most certainly not. Edited March 4 by JohnMc 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 9,166 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 3 minutes ago, JohnMc said: I sometimes wonder what might have happened if the support had actually backed the manager(s) and the players over the last 3 and bit seasons, instead of turning on them after every set back and poor result. I find it staggering that anyone would claim our support aren't impatient, that's a real lack of self awareness on display. There's literally a thread describing at least 10 of players as 'no hopers and non triers'. Six of those players are full current internationalists, but aye, no hopers. We are literally the poster boys for impatience, we will turn on players after a couple of poor games, a manager will get a month, may 6 weeks and if we're not performing the knives will be sharpened. Anyone who doesn't think we'll turn on these proposed new owners with a fury they can't comprehend yet if they fail to back a manager or sell a favourite player simply doesn't understand our support. We are passive in terms of wanting to actually get involved in running and making our club better, but very vocal in making our unhappiness known when those who do fall short of our perceived standards. The Rangers support, of who I am proud to call myself one, have many good points and are unfairly maligned by others, but let's not pretend we're a patient support, we're most certainly not. How are we passive in getting involved in running and making our club better? We've had RST, Rangers First and Club182. These have failed for various reasons none down to fans being "passive". I'd agree with our assessment of fans regarding the players and team, but we've been overly patient wi5h those running the club. In fact, they've been backed to the hilt by the fans especially financially. I find it staggering some think otherwise 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idisi 671 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Having read through the available details of the expulsion from the top division, the financial horrors that followed, and the return, I have the greatest respect for the Rangers support, the club's managers and players. Yet, I have to disagree with regard to the patience. You are in your 10th season of the return to the top division. That is 30 Scottish titles available to you, but the return was and remains at 3. If you were 1. FC Union Berlin, this would be acceptable. But even with you rival from the East, you can surely expect a return of 10 titles in the two cups, if not league titles? In my opinion, for your patience, you deserve the utmost respect. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gribz 1,152 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 2 hours ago, JohnMc said: I sometimes wonder what might have happened if the support had actually backed the manager(s) and the players over the last 3 and bit seasons, instead of turning on them after every set back and poor result. Unfortunately you get differing opinions from 50,000 who attend games and god knows how many others around the world. Thats natural. I do take your point about knee jerk reactions though but generally a lot of football fans are not silly and can easily see things that are wrong like when a manager is playing wrong formations or players out of position or has lost the dressing room. We can also see when someone is the wrong man very early into tenures - I.e Pedro was clearly not right, and Beale was found out very quickly. I can only speak for myself in that I thought Gio was gone to early and wanted him more time, I was also very patient with Clement but other than Europa games you could tell he had lost the dressing room and didnt have the tactical nous from the Scottish game for coming up for 12 months. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uilleam 6,220 Posted March 4 Author Share Posted March 4 58 minutes ago, JohnMc said: but let's not pretend we're a patient support, we're most certainly not. Does this apply to those "Rangers' men" in the boardroom, or to those "Rangers' men" with hefty shareholdings? If it does -and is there a compelling reason, which may be evidenced, why it doesn't?- then we should be looking for more rationality -and dare I say it?- more strategic thinking in the boardroom and among the hired help. Would it be a reasonable bet to assume that we will get these, or anything approaching medium term thinking, far less the long run, from 'fans' (qua 'fans') in charge, and all that may be required is a changing of the Rangers' guard, every now and again? Not a wager I should take. If anybody has a better option for the Club other than the Yankee dollar, I have yet to hear it. Regrettable, perhaps, but true. Glasgow Rangers: a sports' business, coming to a stadium near you. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMc 3,089 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 2 hours ago, CammyF said: How are we passive in getting involved in running and making our club better? We've had RST, Rangers First and Club182. These have failed for various reasons none down to fans being "passive". I'd agree with our assessment of fans regarding the players and team, but we've been overly patient wi5h those running the club. In fact, they've been backed to the hilt by the fans especially financially. I find it staggering some think otherwise I disagree with your first point. The vast majority or our support are perfectly happy to stand back and not get involved in any way in the actual running or ownership of the club. I don't think this is just a Rangers thing, it's a British thing and can be seen at clubs all across this island. Culturally many of us are simply happier with the 'rich benefactor' model of ownership. This is why we're more patient with owners, but even then our patience is guided by on-field measurements, not the actual running of the club. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo 7,681 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 If we are honest back in that dark day in 2012 when that poisoned little b*****d Whyte stood outside Ibrox reading the statement that we wear entering administration the club have never recovered a few trophies a couple of runs in Europe is no success the present board have done their best and can do no more they’re rich but not that rich we need this takeover to succeed or we become another Hearts. Hibs Aberdeen former greats just playing second fiddle to the ugly mob . 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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