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[JohnMc 3,044]

4 hours ago, CammyF said:

Not true, I'm certainly not basing my opinion on hope. I'm basing it on the list of diabolical decisions made by the current regime and their inability to move the club forward.

 

I have no issue with people who don't want to see investment, I wish those who don't offered the same to those who do.

 

But pray tell, why are they having to prop the club up? It wouldn't have anything to do with a catalogue of woeful decision making by them? Or was it a big boy that done it and ran away? 

 

If the current regime offered a business plan that showed me how they were going to improve us, detail where the revenue was coming from, I'm sure I could get behind them. 

 

They won't, they can't - they're a busted flush. 

 "Diabolical", Cammy? What chance has any director got when that's the reaction. 

 

Anyway, fuck it, what's done is done, no going back now. 

 

[Bluedell 5,865]

5 hours ago, CammyF said:

But pray tell, why are they having to prop the club up? It wouldn't have anything to do with a catalogue of woeful decision making by them? Or was it a big boy that done it and ran away? 

It's too simplistic to suggest that it's all down to woeful decisions. Yes, that's part of it, but so is the ambition to win the league and do well in Europe.

 

They could have reduced budgets and playing quality (!) to balance the budget, rather than willing to overspend with the knowledge that they may have to put in financial support, and we'd potentially be even further behind in the league and out of Europe.

 

Yes, they've made mistakes and they're having to help fund the running of the club but I don't believe anyone can suggest that it wasn't done with the underlying hope that we'll be successful.

 

5 hours ago, CammyF said:

If the current regime offered a business plan that showed me how they were going to improve us, detail where the revenue was coming from, I'm sure I could get behind them. 

 

They won't, they can't - they're a busted flush. 

To be fair, they're hardly likely to show the support a business plan, of which I'm sure there will be one, and they'd face criticism for it if part of their plan was offering financial support from the investors as you've shown. However they have suggested several plans in the past and they seem to last around 9 months before they seem to drop them. 

 

They have lost the support from a chunk of the support and as such, you're probably right that they are a busted flush, particularly as a viable alternative has appeared, something I thought was extremely unlikely a couple of weeks ago.

[compo 7,628]

Your new chairman 

[alexscottislegend 2,568]

1 hour ago, RabiDuck said:

I'm still not sure on all the dual ownership rules.  Given the success of Leeds this season, promotion looks likely.  How does it work out if, in a couple of years, they qualify for the Europa League alongside us? Any issues?

Think I read that one side will have to reduce its total holding. Don't think it will happen in the near future.

[CammyF 9,063]

1 hour ago, JohnMc said:

 "Diabolical", Cammy? What chance has any director got when that's the reaction. 

 

Anyway, fuck it, what's done is done, no going back now. 

 

How would you describe some of their decisions? Their inability in footballing recruitment? Their project management of NEH and Copland upgrade (which still hasn't been completed)? The Australia friendly? £40M of transfer money (Bassey, Patterson & Aribo) gone? CL money gone?

 

How would you describe a club or business who can't operate without being propped by annually by loans? 

[CammyF 9,063]

54 minutes ago, Bluedell said:

It's too simplistic to suggest that it's all down to woeful decisions. Yes, that's part of it, but so is the ambition to win the league and do well in Europe.

 

They could have reduced budgets and playing quality (!) to balance the budget, rather than willing to overspend with the knowledge that they may have to put in financial support, and we'd potentially be even further behind in the league and out of Europe.

 

Yes, they've made mistakes and they're having to help fund the running of the club but I don't believe anyone can suggest that it wasn't done with the underlying hope that we'll be successful.

 

To be fair, they're hardly likely to show the support a business plan, of which I'm sure there will be one, and they'd face criticism for it if part of their plan was offering financial support from the investors as you've shown. However they have suggested several plans in the past and they seem to last around 9 months before they seem to drop them. 

 

They have lost the support from a chunk of the support and as such, you're probably right that they are a busted flush, particularly as a viable alternative has appeared, something I thought was extremely unlikely a couple of weeks ago.

It may be simplistic but its the main reason we are where we are. 

 

We are at a stage where we can't operate without being given loans and are still posting losses. 

 

The board(s) are fully responsible for this, not matter their intentions. 

[Uilleam 6,157]

The Club is underperforming on and off the park.

It posts scrotum tightening losses every year, and the team, which  has just turned in two of the worst Rangers'  performances I have ever seen - at Ibrox, and on the spin- is struggling, bereft of confidence, without leadership, with a pronounced sick note culture, and out of domestic competitions. 

 

The road to Hell, my late mother would say, is paved with good intentions. 

 

If you seek an explanation, look no further than who is in charge. There are two principal issues -

1. Fans (qua fans) in the boardroom

2. The myth that skills are always transferable. 

 

We may speculate about divisions among the board members and major shareholders, and lack of leadership, which would not have helped, to say the least. 

 

So, we are where we are, and the options are very limited. 

 

You have bought the ticket, now take the ride. 

 

 

[compo 7,628]

I just want to see this deal done and over the line 

[CammyF 9,063]

16 minutes ago, compo said:

I just want to see this deal done and over the line 

https://x.com/49ersSportsTalk/status/1894464191202775404?t=dbCN82QebObREo9DIiJCQQ&s=08

 

[Graeme Ro55 957]

4 hours ago, JohnMc said:

Sports Direct is a bona fide business, and a very successful one too. Douglas Park and John Bennett are bona fide businessmen, successful ones. 

I don't think you're being naive, I think you're being hopeful, you're being optimistic. I think we're all guilty of doing that when it comes to football. Despite all evidence to the contrary we cling to hope, we 'keep believing' to quote the great Marvin. I think some supporters had become so dismayed with the team in recent months that they're welcoming any change, without properly analysing it. They're hopeful because they wanted managerial change at almost all costs and now it has arrived. The new management team are a known quantity too, so why not be hopeful. 

 

I'm different. I'd resigned myself to a poor season because I'd accepted the need to rebuild the club. To lower costs, to change the make up of the squad and to allow someone time to try and build something. I'd accepted it couldn't be done in 6 months and was willing to give the players, management team and directors time. So I'm disappointed by this change and I'm disappointed we've ripped up the plan. Barry Ferguson was a wonderful player and a good captain for the club. But I've seen nothing to suggest he's capable of being our manager and he certainly hasn't achieved anything to warrant getting the position. 

 

Now, neither had Gerrard, or Souness. Both were gambles that paid off. While John Grieg didn't and neither did Ally McCoist, or to a lesser extent Stuart McCall. So I can understand why many people are hopeful, are feeling positive and looking forward to games again. It's not been a lot of fun recently, I absolutely get that. 

 

But I think the message I'm getting is the bulk of our directors now want out, they've had enough. I think if we'd just shown a bit more support and accepted there would tough times during this it would have come good. That's my 'hope' showing, my blind faith despite evidence to the contrary.

 

I'd rather the club was owned by people who care for it deeply, that's my preference and I remain extremely nervous about the 49ers and what they want with us, whatever random Leeds fans might think of them. 

 

 

Thank you for saving me type that out John. It's pretty much how I feel. A lot of our support have turned into Varuca Salt from the Willy Wonka movie.