If You're Going to San Francisco

[Rousseau 11,363]

4 minutes ago, buster. said:

It wasn't an insult.

You call a spade a spade.

 

 

You must not be aware that I now have access to the caird of purest yelly. 

 

Just saying... 

 

[alexscottislegend 2,568]

16 hours ago, CammyF said:

Very good podcast - well worth watching 

 

 

 

We should all watch this. Main thing I took away from the American guy was the marketing angle which has not been exploited nearly enough by the club. The Rangers diaspora (my cousin is in Melbourne) appears to be an untapped resource.

[buster. 5,430]

1 minute ago, Uilleam said:

These people have a track record of running sports businesses. 

They may take an interest, a controlling interest, or the whole damned shooting match. 

One thing is clear, the support will have little or no say.

What is also clear, clear for some time, is that that change is needed, and I see only one division of cavalry coming over the hill. 

I understand what you say.

 

We have put ourselves in a bad situation because we didn't change bad habits.

 

No easy answers.

Sell the keys to venture capitalists and hope for the best.

[JohnMc 3,037]

This 'leap of faith' and 'something has to change' narrative is based on nothing but hope. We're not fighting relegation, the bailiffs aren't at the door, the debt we have is owed to people who, certainly until very recently, love the club and don't want harm to fall on it. But so many want them chased out of the club because on field performances have been poor at times. Our support's demand for instance success remains unquenched. Gerrard took 3 seasons to win the title. We gave Gio a year before hunting him out the door, Beale get less than that and Clement got 16 months. At least new owners know that we're not interested in structure or building something, we want instant success or blood. Fire a manager every year and that should keep a decent percentage of our support happy. 

 

Our club was taken to the brink of extinction not that long ago, did we learn nothing from that? So many of us seem willing to gamble everything once again. Clear out the people who care and bring in the venture capitalists. What could possibly go wrong...

 

Ironically I think our current directors have had enough, the appointment of Ferguson was the signal that they simply want out now. They're no longer even trying to improve things. They've given the support a big dose of staunch liberally sprinkled with nostalgia and hope it buys them enough time to clear off without losing a fortune. It's worked, many are brimming over with anticipation for a new dawn under the former Alloa manager's stewardship. 

 

We're no longer a serious football club, we're some kind of reality TV, soap opera. It's telling that the only people I've seen who seem happier than some of our support at the events of the last few days are supporters of rival clubs.

 

 

[buster. 5,430]

5 minutes ago, Rousseau said:

You must not be aware that I now have access to the caird of purest yelly. 

 

Just saying... 

 

Give the red card to anyone who calls being cautious about all this, suspicious.

[CammyF 9,062]

51 minutes ago, buster. said:

You said that you were suspicious of the motives of someone who raised questions ("talk down") and was cautious about the leap of faith on a largely unknown.

 

That was an idiotic statement and par for the course.

 

I don't doubt our capacity for falling for the next saviour with wealth off the radar. 

 

This is obviously different to 2012 but to go with blind acceptance and without due caution, is for the stupid.

Any takeover or investment has its unknowns, don't think anyone is saying any different, you just continue to not understand what people are saying.

 

The status quo is known, its been on record for over a decade. If sticking with the status quo scares you less than going with a new investor, then fine, nothing will change your opinion. 

 

We have 2 options here, stick with the regime that has taken us to the brink of not being able to operate  / function as a club, or we take this (or another) investment. 

 

In my humble opinion, sticking with the current regime is now no longer an option. 

 

All we can do is research these investors and make up our own minds. I've listened to a few podcasts and spoken to Leeds fans and what I've read / heard is all positive. 

 

At least you've moved on from magic beans and monopoly money to personal insults, like our current board, you're regressing alarmingly. 

[CammyF 9,062]

14 minutes ago, JohnMc said:

This 'leap of faith' and 'something has to change' narrative is based on nothing but hope. We're not fighting relegation, the bailiffs aren't at the door, the debt we have is owed to people who, certainly until very recently, love the club and don't want harm to fall on it. But so many want them chased out of the club because on field performances have been poor at times. Our support's demand for instance success remains unquenched. Gerrard took 3 seasons to win the title. We gave Gio a year before hunting him out the door, Beale get less than that and Clement got 16 months. At least new owners know that we're not interested in structure or building something, we want instant success or blood. Fire a manager every year and that should keep a decent percentage of our support happy. 

 

Our club was taken to the brink of extinction not that long ago, did we learn nothing from that? So many of us seem willing to gamble everything once again. Clear out the people who care and bring in the venture capitalists. What could possibly go wrong...

 

Ironically I think our current directors have had enough, the appointment of Ferguson was the signal that they simply want out now. They're no longer even trying to improve things. They've given the support a big dose of staunch liberally sprinkled with nostalgia and hope it buys them enough time to clear off without losing a fortune. It's worked, many are brimming over with anticipation for a new dawn under the former Alloa manager's stewardship. 

 

We're no longer a serious football club, we're some kind of reality TV, soap opera. It's telling that the only people I've seen who seem happier than some of our support at the events of the last few days are supporters of rival clubs.

 

 

Not true, I'm certainly not basing my opinion on hope. I'm basing it on the list of diabolical decisions made by the current regime and their inability to move the club forward.

 

I have no issue with people who don't want to see investment, I wish those who don't offered the same to those who do.

 

But pray tell, why are they having to prop the club up? It wouldn't have anything to do with a catalogue of woeful decision making by them? Or was it a big boy that done it and ran away? 

 

If the current regime offered a business plan that showed me how they were going to improve us, detail where the revenue was coming from, I'm sure I could get behind them. 

 

They won't, they can't - they're a busted flush. 

Edited 5 hours ago by CammyF

[Bluedell 5,864]

3 minutes ago, CammyF said:

Any takeover or investment has its unknowns, don't think anyone is saying any different, you just continue to not understand what people are saying.

 

The status quo is known, its been on record for over a decade. If sticking with the status quo scares you less than going with a new investor, then fine, nothing will change your opinion. 

 

We have 2 options here, stick with the regime that has taken us to the brink of not being able to operate  / function as a club, or we take this (or another) investment. 

 

In my humble opinion, sticking with the current regime is now no longer an option. 

 

All we can do is research these investors and make up our own minds. I've listened to a few podcasts and spoken to Leeds fans and what I've read / heard is all positive. 

 

At least you've moved on from magic beans and monopoly money to personal insults, like our current board, you're regressing alarmingly. 

There's certainly a higher risk involved than sticking with the status quo. However it would be good to get some excitement back into the club and, as you say, these investors seem to be surprisingly largely positive, and it's potentially better to go with them than wait for another investor to come along that's not as good.

 

My major concern is how they see us fitting into the structure (are we just going to be a Leeds feeder club?) but there's not much we can do but wait and see (and hope). 

[CammyF 9,062]

2 minutes ago, Bluedell said:

There's certainly a higher risk involved than sticking with the status quo. However it would be good to get some excitement back into the club and, as you say, these investors seem to be surprisingly largely positive, and it's potentially better to go with them than wait for another investor to come along that's not as good.

 

My major concern is how they see us fitting into the structure (are we just going to be a Leeds feeder club?) but there's not much we can do but wait and see (and hope). 

I don't think there is - but that's just me. I fear if we don't take investment (and soon), we'll be back to 2012 before we know it. 

 

The current regime (plus King) should be forever remembered as those who saved us from the spivs not for putting us back near the brink (that's where we're heading).

 

All about opinions and how you read the situation. 

 

I'm still not 100% convinced by this takeover, but I'm leaning towards believing they, more than the current regime, are better placed to take us forward.

 

In the end, I'm sure that's what all Rangers fans want. 

[Rousseau 11,363]

18 minutes ago, buster. said:

Give the red card to anyone who calls being cautious about all this, suspicious.

I'm not brave enough to weild a red card. 

 

I just wave a yellow card around then run away.