Match Thread [FT] Rangers 3 (Igamane 16'; Cerny 20'; Diomande 25') - 1 St Johnstone

[Scott7 6,277]

12 minutes ago, CammyF said:

Not on 55 - I said I wouldn't but I did leave on 85 mins.

Good for you.

[CammyF 8,677]

9 minutes ago, Scott7 said:

Good for you.

Not to say I won't participate in any future protests, however I'm past all that.

 

I expanded too much of my time and life "protesting" when Murray was in charge. The abuse those few who stuck their head above the parapet received was unacceptable but not surprising. 

 

I've never felt so detached from the club and section of our fans, including in those days and during the spivs reign where I deliberately took a back seat / neutral view. Its worth noting that the UBs were the 1st to call the spivs out and took abuse for that as well.

 

This just seems to me, that it'll  go the same way as it did under Murray and we all know how that ended up.

Edited Sunday at 19:27 by CammyF

[Scott7 6,277]

Are the most of the major shareholders not Rangers supporters? Murray never was.

[CammyF 8,677]

1 minute ago, Scott7 said:

Are the most of the major shareholders not Rangers supporters? Murray never was.

They are and Murray wasn't but neither was David Holmes. 

[compo 7,379]

20 minutes ago, CammyF said:

Not to say I won't participate in any future protests, however I'm past all that.

 

I expanded too much of my time and life "protesting" when Murray was in charge. The abuse those few who stuck their head above the parapet received was unacceptable but not surprising. 

 

I've never felt so detached from the club and section of our fans, including in those days and during the spivs reign where I deliberately took a back seat / neutral view. Its worth noting that the UBs were the 1st to call the spivs out and took abuse for that as well.

 

This just seems to me, that it'll  go the same way as it did under Murray and we all know how that ended up.

I wonder if anyone could tell us exactly how much is owed to the directors/board/shareholders  

[Sutton_blows_goats 5,668]

1 hour ago, CammyF said:

It was, and similar in that some of those who didn't agree with the protests, attacked those protesting.

 

For a community that claim, celebrate and chant about being Protestants, we are very unsupportive of protestors. 

I think it will be the same problem then that it is now and it’s not that people don’t care about protesting.

 

Id guess the likes of us on Gersnet, other forums and social media are a small portion Rangers fans who are engaged online.

 

I bet you the vast majority don’t bother with twitter or forums and had little to no idea any walkout was happening today or even the tension that was bubbling under with regard to the boards mismanagement.

 

The rank and file fan who still reads the news papers and listens to radio Clyde phone in. The guys who had no idea what Murray was up too. The reason the spivs got a free reign for so long.

 

 

[CammyF 8,677]

35 minutes ago, Sutton_blows_goats said:

I think it will be the same problem then that it is now and it’s not that people don’t care about protesting.

 

Id guess the likes of us on Gersnet, other forums and social media are a small portion Rangers fans who are engaged online.

 

I bet you the vast majority don’t bother with twitter or forums and had little to no idea any walkout was happening today or even the tension that was bubbling under with regard to the boards mismanagement.

 

The rank and file fan who still reads the news papers and listens to radio Clyde phone in. The guys who had no idea what Murray was up too. The reason the spivs got a free reign for so long.

 

 

You might have a point there, and it might explain why the banners displayed were applauded, but I feel, and have done for over 40 years, we as a support will never be united and are reluctant to push for change. Conservative is a term that could be used. 

 

Back in Murrays days, the fanzines (Follow Follow and No1) had a wider circulation than the match day programme. I wouldn't claim to know what % of fans bought them. It was contributors in those publications who were questioning where we were headed.

 

The initial protest against Murray was a spontaneous event, the attack was a reaction to the protest and was celebrated by Murray on the club's official website claiming they sang "One David Murray" when in reality they sang the (newly) banned Billy Boys.

 

The UB and RSA protest was widely published on socials but again I wouldn't claim to know the % of fans who are active on social media. The booing of those leaving can be defended but the throwing of objects and verbal abuse can't.

 

It'll be interesting to see what the.club say. Ignoring it is in my opinion, equal to condoning it. 

Edited Sunday at 20:54 by CammyF

[Bluedell 5,785]

Fans have been moved from their seats after holding season tickets for decades. Fans are verbally abused and physically intimidated at away games and have their views blocked by the constant waving of flags. A banner in support of someone who assaulted a woman is regularly shown (but was unsurprisingly absent today) as are the 1312 banners, and yet we're supposed to feel sympathy when they're verbally abused?

 

No stuff should be thrown by anyone (and anyone doing so should be banned) but they've caused much of the bad feelings towards them themselves. 

[CammyF 8,677]

4 minutes ago, Bluedell said:

Fans have been moved from their seats after holding season tickets for decades. Fans are verbally abused and physically intimidated at away games and have their views blocked by the constant waving of flags. A banner in support of someone who assaulted a woman is regularly shown (but was unsurprisingly absent today) as are the 1312 banners, and yet we're supposed to feel sympathy when they're verbally abused?

 

No stuff should be thrown by anyone (and anyone doing so should be banned) but they've caused much of the bad feelings towards them themselves. 

The UB didn't move any fans, the club moved them so those affected should direct their ire at the club.

 

It's also worth remembering that you don't own your seat at Ibrox, you pay to use it from season to season. It isn't your property. 

 

Nobody asked anyone to feel sorry for them, but there is no excuse for people throwing stuff at them and the club must act and ban those responsible. 

[CammyF 8,677]

The board will be pissing themselves tonight. A divided support is exactly what they want. Whilst we're all arguing amongst ourselves, the spotlight is off them. 

 

Somethings never change.