Mindset of Refs

[rbr 1,266]

We all are still hurting after Sunday , we will get the usual apology and told to move on , the Refs will 'get better training and wont make these mistakes again ', we have heard all this time after time , whether its poor sending's off , disallowed goals etc etc .

 

However once you start analyzing things , I honestly believe its the mindset of the Refs/Var officials to take what they see as the safe option for them and go against us/for Celtic .

 

If you look at some of the big decisions in the last few Old firm games , Dessers/Roofes disallowed goal , Dessers goal that is brought back 70 yards for a free kick to them , Johnstons hand ball and the subsequent 'offside 'reason that was found 30 minutes later , the disallowed goal in the Scottish cup final for a foul on the keeper , even though it was the celtic player that pushed the Rangers player into Hart , and then the 3 big decisions on Sunday , none of which Var corrected .

 

Now I understand some of these decisions are subjective and open to interpretation either way , bar Sundays penalty, however the fact every decision going against us defies logic and bookies odds , so is it simply the fact that intimidation , threats and continual assault on refs both from their place monkeys in the press and at boardroom level is paying off .

 

Our new CEO really has a horrendous job , after years of softly softly to turn things around .

 

 

[Sutton_blows_goats 5,457]

Apology means nothing. Connor and Muir need to be finished.

 

I have seen loads of people ask for the audio. That will achieve nothing. We know they wont say anything that would catch them out as the media get a feed of the audio. 

 

Connor has been caught twice now handing Celtic a LC trophy. It doesn't matter what the reason is, he must be finished.

[CammyF 8,369]

21 minutes ago, rbr said:

We all are still hurting after Sunday , we will get the usual apology and told to move on , the Refs will 'get better training and wont make these mistakes again ', we have heard all this time after time , whether its poor sending's off , disallowed goals etc etc .

 

However once you start analyzing things , I honestly believe its the mindset of the Refs/Var officials to take what they see as the safe option for them and go against us/for Celtic .

 

If you look at some of the big decisions in the last few Old firm games , Dessers/Roofes disallowed goal , Dessers goal that is brought back 70 yards for a free kick to them , Johnstons hand ball and the subsequent 'offside 'reason that was found 30 minutes later , the disallowed goal in the Scottish cup final for a foul on the keeper , even though it was the celtic player that pushed the Rangers player into Hart , and then the 3 big decisions on Sunday , none of which Var corrected .

 

Now I understand some of these decisions are subjective and open to interpretation either way , bar Sundays penalty, however the fact every decision going against us defies logic and bookies odds , so is it simply the fact that intimidation , threats and continual assault on refs both from their place monkeys in the press and at boardroom level is paying off .

 

Our new CEO really has a horrendous job , after years of softly softly to turn things around .

 

 

I said in the match thread, we should look to employ an ex-referee who would analyse these decisions and post on our social media.

 

They could begin with a dossier of incorrect decisions that have all gone against us and for Celtic over recent years.

 

They aren't hard to find and would make for some interesting viewing.

 

I think the issue with Sunday is that the decision isn't subjective, it's factual. No room for manoeuvre whilst trying to explain it away. Hence the false narratives of whistle being blown before Cerny is in the box. 

Edited Wednesday at 11:25 by CammyF

[rbr 1,266]

Cammy I totally agree , but my point is that the refs mindset is ALWAYS to give them the decisions , factual or not .

[CammyF 8,369]

2 minutes ago, rbr said:

Cammy I totally agree , but my point is that the refs mindset is ALWAYS to give them the decisions , factual or not .

It is 100%, but we have to think of ways of changing that mindset other than coming straight out and saying they are cheats. 

Edited Wednesday at 11:32 by CammyF

[Sutton_blows_goats 5,457]

10 minutes ago, CammyF said:

I said in the match thread, we should look to employ an ex-referee who would analyse these decisions and post on our social media.

 

They could begin with a dossier of incorrect decisions that have all gone against us and for Celtic over recent years.

Wouldn't change anything mate, would just be labelled a biased mason and opinion would be ignored.

 

I do think we should hire a referee analyst but that's a totally different thing. That's for understanding what advantages we can gain from understanding referees behaviours. 

[rbr 1,266]

Other point I forgot to add to my initial post , nearly every SPFL team has within a small margin the same fouls to bookings ratio , except them , they have double on average fouls to bookings , when it comes to Europe we are almost exactly the same , funny that .

[CammyF 8,369]

43 minutes ago, Sutton_blows_goats said:

Wouldn't change anything mate, would just be labelled a biased mason and opinion would be ignored.

 

I do think we should hire a referee analyst but that's a totally different thing. That's for understanding what advantages we can gain from understanding referees behaviours. 

We just need to start doing something other than rolling over and accepting these "honest mistakes". 

 

Sunday has given us an excellent opportunity as the decision was so obvious and factual, the VAR team / SFA etc have nowhere to hide.

 

If we don't take this opportunity, then we'll never get a decision in these games.

 

I fully expect us to get a soft penalty on Saturday and another on 2nd Jan which will allow the narrative to be changed back to "Penalty to Rangers". 

[der Berliner 3,798]

In the here and now, one can quickly establish the "pedigree" of a referee in terms of football loyalties. It is a small country, so the pool is indeed limited. But if it is clear that referees are either incompetent, not up to the pressure of such a game, or have certain leanings, they should not put on the black shirt in such games or sit behind the monitor. If they lack referees, go and hire some "foreigner" in advance. Maybe they'll have smarting home-bred people, but it is up to the latter to officiate a game according to the rules. In any case, they could hire people for VAR roles, put women referees in there, whatever. The status quo is not acceptable.

Edited Wednesday at 13:03 by der Berliner

[Sutton_blows_goats 5,457]

49 minutes ago, CammyF said:

We just need to start doing something other than rolling over and accepting these "honest mistakes". 

 

Agree. Legacy media is on the way out, so they cant control the narrative as much as they have. So being honest about these decisions in public cant be shut down as easily as before. 

 

Rodgers took a ban last year when they got a correct decision against him for speaking about it, and has called out refs before. Its not difficult.