Who stays?

[CammyF 8,369]

26 minutes ago, Tannochsidebear said:

While it is clearly obvious we have regressed from last season, but it is unfair to say that happened in his 12 months in charge. His run from November to the start of March was very good and won a cup and put us top of the league with 10 games to go before the wheels fell off. He got Beale's awful team playing some decent stuff and things were looking very good. Night and day from what we have seen this season which has been awful.

I really want the board and senior management sorted before I would trust anyone to get rid of Clement and choose a successor. I'm happy to not blow money we dont have in replacing with an interim or poor choice when we cannot win this seasons title anyway. Im not happy about it, but being pragmatic.

Pragmatism is all well and good but there is no evidence that Clement can improve us. What happens of we keep Clement and are sitting 3rd in the league next November? Do we not replace then despite the league being over? 

 

We need a complete overhaul from top to bottom and hopefully Stewart is the start but who knows.

 

However, there is no excuse for not replacing Clement now or we risk falling further behind.

[JohnMc 2,801]

Not to excuse it but it's worth remembering we're not the only football club struggling financially. Dundee Utd posted a loss of nearly £3 million earlier this year, Hibs nearly £4 million, Hearts lost £1.2 million and Aberdeen, despite some remarkable spin in the media, lost nearly £900k. St Johnstone lost well over £1 million, Dundee lost nearly £3 million, Motherwell are late to publish this year but lost over £1.5 million last year and Ross County lost half a million. Only St Mirren, more or less, broke even. 

In Belgium the Champions, Antwerp, lost around £40 million, indeed only 6 clubs in total out of their top two divisions didn't make a loss. Ajax lost 13 million Euros last year, PSV and Feyenoord also posted multi million Euro losses. 

In the Republic Of Ireland, where their domestic league is enjoying a renaissance with record attendances and clubs reaching European group stages, every single club in their top league made a financial loss last year. 

You don't have to look far in England to find clubs haemorrhaging money, despite access to TV and sponsorship revenues we can only dream about. Spanish football is a basket case with some of its biggest clubs carrying debt that would frighten a small country. 

 

Professional football in Europe, despite never being better funded, is in a perilous state financially. Clubs (and many of their supporters) take pride in finding loop holes in regulations designed to protect them rather than accept financial downsizing far less simply living within their means. 

As difficult as this is to type, Celtic are not only consistently well run, they are also very much the exception. 

 

We could be profitable. Everyone knows that means we need to find, develop and sell players every season and that is easier said than done. For every Nathan Paterson there's an Adam Devine, for every Joe Aribo there's a Todd Cantwell. Why some players succeed and some don't is one of life's mysteries. 

 

There is no excusing our form currently. We're not playing well, we don't score goals, we don't even entertain. We should be better than we are with the money we do have. I remain in the camp that's not convinced changing our manager, again, is the answer. We keep trying that and it doesn't seem to work. Perhaps some stability will pay better dividends long term. A new CEO and Chairman should provide that, although who knows, clearly firing Clement will make a lot of supporters happy and take the heat off the board and buy everyone a few months grace. We're addicted to short term returns, so nothing would surprise me. 

Edited November 26 by JohnMc

[CammyF 8,369]

54 minutes ago, JohnMc said:

Not to excuse it but it's worth remembering we're not the only football club struggling financially. Dundee Utd posted a loss of nearly £3 million earlier this year, Hibs nearly £4 million, Hearts lost £1.2 million and Aberdeen, despite some remarkable spin in the media, lost nearly £900k. St Johnstone lost well over £1 million, Dundee lost nearly £3 million, Motherwell are late to publish this year but lost over £1.5 million last year and Ross County lost half a million. Only St Mirren, more or less, broke even. 

In Belgium the Champions, Antwerp, lost around £40 million, indeed only 6 clubs in total out of their top two divisions didn't make a loss. Ajax lost 13 million Euros last year, PSV and Feyenoord also posted multi million Euro losses. 

In the Republic Of Ireland, where their domestic league is enjoying a renaissance with record attendances and clubs reaching European group stages, every single club in their top league made a financial loss last year. 

You don't have to look far in England to find clubs haemorrhaging money, despite access to TV and sponsorship revenues we can only dream about. Spanish football is a basket case with some of its biggest clubs carrying debt that would frighten a small country. 

 

Professional football in Europe, despite never being better funded, is in a perilous state financially. Clubs (and many of their supporters) take pride in finding loop holes in regulations designed to protect them rather than accept financial downsizing far less simply living within their means. 

As difficult as this is to type, Celtic are not only consistently well run, they are also very much the exception. 

 

We could be profitable. Everyone knows that means we need to find, develop and sell players every season and that is easier said than done. For every Nathan Paterson there's an Adam Devine, for every Joe Aribo there's a Todd Cantwell. Why some players succeed and some don't is one of life's mysteries. 

 

There is no excusing our form currently. We're not playing well, we don't score goals, we don't even entertain. We should be better than we are with the money we do have. I remain in the camp that's not convinced changing our manager, again, is the answer. We keep trying that and it doesn't seem to work. Perhaps some stability will pay better dividends long term. A new CEO and Chairman should provide that, although who knows, clearly firing Clement will make a lot of supporters happy and take the heat off the board and buy everyone a few months grace. We're addicted to short term returns, so nothing would surprise me. 

If Clement was making strides (as Gerrard did) then I'd agree. However, all evidence points to us regressing and regressing rapidly. 

 

With the budget Clement has been given, there are no excuses for our performances, points tally and results.

 

Rangers Football Club should not be "hoping' that Clement can change things for the better. The league has gone (in truth it was gone weeks ago, probably after our latest embarrassing defeat at Parkhead).

 

If the only reason for keeping him is that sacking his predecessors didnt work, then we are in a sorry, sorry state. 

Edited November 26 by CammyF

[MacK1950 2,398]

2 hours ago, CammyF said:

With the budget Clement has been given, there are no excuses for our performances, points tally and results.

Wiyh the budget he has will be like shopping for a dress suit in Primark instead of Slaters.

[CammyF 8,369]

6 minutes ago, MacK1950 said:

Wiyh the budget he has will be like shopping for a dress suit in Primark instead of Slaters.

Are you serious? 

 

He's spent a fortune (in SPL terms) and can't get a tune out of "his" players or the players he's inherited. 

[buster. 5,257]

3 hours ago, JohnMc said:

Not to excuse it but it's worth remembering we're not the only football club struggling financially. Dundee Utd posted a loss of nearly £3 million earlier this year, Hibs nearly £4 million, Hearts lost £1.2 million and Aberdeen, despite some remarkable spin in the media, lost nearly £900k. St Johnstone lost well over £1 million, Dundee lost nearly £3 million, Motherwell are late to publish this year but lost over £1.5 million last year and Ross County lost half a million. Only St Mirren, more or less, broke even. 

In Belgium the Champions, Antwerp, lost around £40 million, indeed only 6 clubs in total out of their top two divisions didn't make a loss. Ajax lost 13 million Euros last year, PSV and Feyenoord also posted multi million Euro losses. 

In the Republic Of Ireland, where their domestic league is enjoying a renaissance with record attendances and clubs reaching European group stages, every single club in their top league made a financial loss last year. 

You don't have to look far in England to find clubs haemorrhaging money, despite access to TV and sponsorship revenues we can only dream about. Spanish football is a basket case with some of its biggest clubs carrying debt that would frighten a small country. 

 

Professional football in Europe, despite never being better funded, is in a perilous state financially. Clubs (and many of their supporters) take pride in finding loop holes in regulations designed to protect them rather than accept financial downsizing far less simply living within their means. 

As difficult as this is to type, Celtic are not only consistently well run, they are also very much the exception. 

 

We could be profitable. Everyone knows that means we need to find, develop and sell players every season and that is easier said than done. For every Nathan Paterson there's an Adam Devine, for every Joe Aribo there's a Todd Cantwell. Why some players succeed and some don't is one of life's mysteries. 

 

There is no excusing our form currently. We're not playing well, we don't score goals, we don't even entertain. We should be better than we are with the money we do have. I remain in the camp that's not convinced changing our manager, again, is the answer. We keep trying that and it doesn't seem to work. Perhaps some stability will pay better dividends long term. A new CEO and Chairman should provide that, although who knows, clearly firing Clement will make a lot of supporters happy and take the heat off the board and buy everyone a few months grace. We're addicted to short term returns, so nothing would surprise me. 

It isn't rocket science. We need to prioritise making the club sustainable rather than short-term firefighting, where we only succeed in burning other people's money, as another manager and squad go through 'the process'.

[CammyF 8,369]

10 minutes ago, buster. said:

It isn't rocket science. We need to prioritise making the club sustainable rather than short-term firefighting, where we only succeed in burning other people's money, as another manager and squad go through 'the process'.

What's required, as a matter of urgency is getting a manager who can coach the 2nd most expensive squad in the league properly.

 

A manager who can get them fit, hungry, playing fast, free flowing football and challenging for titles. 

 

It's not rocket science. 

[buster. 5,257]

7 minutes ago, CammyF said:

What's required, as a matter of urgency is getting a manager who can coach the 2nd most expensive squad in the league properly.

 

A manager who can get them fit, hungry, playing fast, free flowing football and challenging for titles. 

 

It's not rocket science. 

Aye, and a quality centre forward, a commanding central defender, a powerful enforcer/leader and.......

 

 

Lets continue doing what has got us into this state. 

[CammyF 8,369]

1 minute ago, buster. said:

Aye, and a quality centre forward, a commanding central defender, a powerful enforcer/leader and.......

 

 

Lets continue doing what has got us into this state. 

Your putting words in my mouth. Read my post again then come back with reply. 

 

Clement has spent a fortune (in SPL terms) and has us regressing. We're slow, unfit, uninspiring.

 

We need a manager who can change those negatives and get us playing a better brand of football, get the players hungry and fit.

 

Will it be enough to win the league? Who knows, but it can't any worse than it is currently under Clement.

[compo 7,184]

Can’t see us getting anywhere playing the way we line up at present it’s absolutely dire so even the manager must have  realized this so why doesn’t he shift his players about a little like tryout a solid 442 formation or a 433 formation if he keeps it the way it is then we are well and truly stuffed.