Match Thread [FT] Rangers 1 (Dessers 6') - 0 Hearts

[Sutton_blows_goats 5,305]

1 hour ago, CammyF said:

No I don't, but to say we wouldn't be able to afford him next season was a ridiculous thing to say. 

 

The guy is raw, has something about him but, in my opinion, at £1.7M, a gamble we shouldn't have taken in the summer. 

 

That money would have been better spent on a player (striker) who was experienced and ready to contribute from the start of the season.

 

I remember Beale getting rightly slaughtered for say something similar about Cifuentes. 

 

He still looks miles away from ready IMO. If we paid anywhere near 1.7 million for him its 1.7 million down the drain unless he dramatically improves. Looks very much a Moroccan league level player.

[CammyF 8,019]

12 minutes ago, buster. said:

Well put. Fans need to understand this and temper expectations, short to medium term.

 

Will they ? 

I doubt it and the general direction of travel will be towards no-where. 

 

Fans can shout all they want about expectations but they need to listen to what John Bennett said in the summer and read the accounts.

 

 

I don't get this - we've not been successful for 14 years (other than 1 league title and 1 EL final). The fans have been more than patient. 

 

Are we now accepting that we aren't and won't be a successful club? 

[buster. 5,162]

7 minutes ago, CammyF said:

I don't get this - we've not been successful for 14 years (other than 1 league title and 1 EL final). The fans have been more than patient. 

 

Are we now accepting that we aren't and won't be a successful club? 

We have been badly run for decades. We paid a price for that in 2012 but we didn't learn the lessons, despite saying we would.  Not as a club or a support.

 

We are paying a price for the latest decade of mismanagement. At last, John Bennett told us how it really is and what is needed.

We seemed to reluctantly accept this but after a couple of months, it has been largely forgotten. The accounts seem to be dismissed and many fans want a new manager and new, better players in using monopoly money.

 

Get real.

 

[CammyF 8,019]

1 minute ago, buster. said:

We have been badly run for decades. We paid a price for that in 2012 but we didn't learn the lessons, despite saying we would.  Not as a club or a support.

 

We are paying a price for the latest decade of mismanagement. At last, John Bennett told us how it really is and what is needed.

We seemed to reluctantly accept this but after a couple of months, it has been largely forgotten. The accounts seem to be dismissed and many fans want a new manager and new, better players in using monopoly money.

 

Get real.

 

So you're accepting that we can't challenge in this backwater because we don't have money?

 

The accounts show we can generate money, it's just that we continue to make the wrong appointments and our player recruitment is woeful.

 

It's not long ago that we sold Bassey, Aribo and Patterson for circa £40M - where did that money go? Where did the CL money go? 

 

It's all good, I'm sure at the forthcoming AGM the board (or what's left of them) will be grilled about ongoing mismanagement, unfilled roles etc rather than tepid pies. 

[compo 7,012]

Do we have any kind of friendly between now and the Dundee United game 

[buster. 5,162]

31 minutes ago, CammyF said:

So you're accepting that we can't challenge in this backwater because we don't have money?

 

The accounts show we can generate money, it's just that we continue to make the wrong appointments and our player recruitment is woeful.

 

It's not long ago that we sold Bassey, Aribo and Patterson for circa £40M - where did that money go? Where did the CL money go? 

 

It's all good, I'm sure at the forthcoming AGM the board (or what's left of them) will be grilled about ongoing mismanagement, unfilled roles etc rather than tepid pies. 

 

It would take time to turn the club around into a sustainable business. It will be DIFFICULT.

 

Relatively heavy loss making is in with the bricks. Along with the strategic acumen of a badly run bowling club.

 

 

Look at the boardroom

Look at the accounts

Look at the football department 

Look at the playing squad

 

#omnishambles

 

Expect pain, hope that it isn't acute or long term.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 10:17 by buster.

[ChelseaBoy 2,440]

35 minutes ago, buster. said:

We have been badly run for decades. We paid a price for that in 2012 but we didn't learn the lessons, despite saying we would.  Not as a club or a support.

 

We are paying a price for the latest decade of mismanagement. At last, John Bennett told us how it really is and what is needed.

We seemed to reluctantly accept this but after a couple of months, it has been largely forgotten. The accounts seem to be dismissed and many fans want a new manager and new, better players in using monopoly money.

 

Get real.

 

When do football fans of any club "get real". They want success and at the very least expect that their club is being run in the best way and generated funds are first and foremost used to improve the playing staff - something that many rightly question given the money raised through player sales and European income. Which is not monopoly money. 

[buster. 5,162]

16 minutes ago, ChelseaBoy said:

When do football fans of any club "get real". They want success and at the very least expect that their club is being run in the best way and generated funds are first and foremost used to improve the playing staff - something that many rightly question given the money raised through player sales and European income. Which is not monopoly money. 

It is time we as fans and the boardroom for that matter, get real.

 

Why would our fans expect the club to be well run after decades of it not being so?

Hope, rather than expect.

 

Monopoly money is required after you have spent all you have earned and serviced the debts.

Edited Tuesday at 10:35 by buster.

[JohnMc 2,735]

1 hour ago, Devil's advocaat said:

Cifuentes was an odd one, his first game - if I recall correctly - was against PSV in CL qualifiers, and he looked really like he had something. After that he just looked like a little boy lost every time I saw him.  

 

I don't think identifying players from other continents, never mind other countries, and then developing them as their potential suggest, is an easy game. We're in a unique position that the fans demand success, we don't have the budget to make that happen quickly, nor do we have the time to develop anything long term. It's a head fuck indeed.

Signing a young(ish) player who has played 80 matches in Danish, or Finnish or even Scottish football strikes me as a better gamble than someone in Morocco or America. Raskin, Diomande, Jefte, Souttar and Barron have all settled and assimilated into the team far more quickly than Cifuentes, Igamane or James Sands. I think we also miss a trick picking up inexperienced players being released by big English sides. The fact you're not deemed good enough to get into the Man City or Liverpool first team squad is hardly a damning statement on your chance of being a success in the Scottish league. 

I know nothing about Finlay Curtis other than his name is appearing more and more frequently in B team reports. An attacking midfielder is something we've not had since Arfield left, at 18 he should be around the squad pushing for the bench. Chances of that happening seem remote unfortunately. A series of managers, including from countries where playing youngsters is expected, have overlooked our youths, read into that what you will. 

[Rousseau 10,560]

53 minutes ago, JohnMc said:

Signing a young(ish) player who has played 80 matches in Danish, or Finnish or even Scottish football strikes me as a better gamble than someone in Morocco or America. Raskin, Diomande, Jefte, Souttar and Barron have all settled and assimilated into the team far more quickly than Cifuentes, Igamane or James Sands. I think we also miss a trick picking up inexperienced players being released by big English sides. The fact you're not deemed good enough to get into the Man City or Liverpool first team squad is hardly a damning statement on your chance of being a success in the Scottish league. 

I know nothing about Finlay Curtis other than his name is appearing more and more frequently in B team reports. An attacking midfielder is something we've not had since Arfield left, at 18 he should be around the squad pushing for the bench. Chances of that happening seem remote unfortunately. A series of managers, including from countries where playing youngsters is expected, have overlooked our youths, read into that what you will. 

This is what Brentford's B-team focused on.