[Official] John Bennett steps down with immediate effect for health reasons

[yuddie 1,693]

3 minutes ago, CammyF said:

I wonder when we'll decide the right time to panic / revolt / remove the board?

 

Will it be after 1 title in 14 years? 1 in 15? 1 in 20? 

 

It appears us fans have only two plans at the moment ;

 

Plan A - hope this board somehow turns us around despite gross mismanagement up to this point.

 

Plan B - hope that Celtic fall apart.

 

Neither plan seems feasible to me.

Club 1872 is still probably the only vehicle for wholesale change inside the club for fans, in principle at least. Otherwise we are just rearranging deckchairs or contemplating takeovers from VC's.

 

You can say what you like about the organisations governance but that's their selling point isn't it, 'never again' and fan representation on the board.

 

King offered them his shares and any fan could've signed up to buy them through 1872 but the uptake just wasn't there. We won't revolt, we've been prodded and poked by the rest of Scottish football for decades and it's got to the point where we're just apathetic as a fanbase.

 

This board are benign I think though, or at least I'm 95% sure they are. They just can't buy a win atm.

[CammyF 8,079]

4 minutes ago, yuddie said:

Club 1872 is still probably the only vehicle for wholesale change inside the club for fans, in principle at least. Otherwise we are just rearranging deckchairs or contemplating takeovers from VC's.

 

You can say what you like about the organisations governance but that's their selling point isn't it, 'never again' and fan representation on the board.

 

King offered them his shares and any fan could've signed up to buy them through 1872 but the uptake just wasn't there. We won't revolt, we've been prodded and poked by the rest of Scottish football for decades and it's got to the point where we're just apathetic as a fanbase.

 

This board are benign I think though, or at least I'm 95% sure they are. They just can't buy a win atm.

Organisations like Club1872 and RST are good in principle and I've been a member of both. However they just don't seem to work for our fanbade which probably says more about us fans than it does these organisations.

 

I thought being shafted by Scottish football would have been what toughened us up and united us with the board/ club but sadly I was mistaken. 

 

The board have continued the "dignified silence" approach which has led us to be even further adrift from setting the footballing landscape and message in Scotland. 

 

For me, this feels the exact same as it did under Murray. The big difference was we were being successful so I can understand why some fans didn't see the catastrophe galloping over the horizon. 

 

Today, we aren't successful and yet the fans still don't see the catastrophe galloping over the horizon. That's the only outcome in my humble opinion if we allow this board to continue, unless they dramatically change. 

 

 

[Bluedell 5,624]

1 hour ago, Gonzo79 said:

Which fan media?  A reliable source?  Do we have any proof or verification?

Official fan media (H&H). If it's said on there then presumably it's come from the club. We don't have proof or verification but they're hardly likely to lie about it.

[Scott7 6,002]

3 hours ago, CammyF said:

The project was shambolic from the start to its eventual completion, just like NEH before it.

I thought the only shambolic bit was the delivery of the Chinese steel and there’s nothing the Board could have done about that. Do you know if the contractors are under penalty for overrun? I don’t. I hope they are but perhaps they are not. As Gonzo says, not many large building contracts complete on time. Not many small ones either. Emirates was an outstanding exception. I wonder how the Everton stadium is doing.

[Scott7 6,002]

1 hour ago, CammyF said:

I wonder when we'll decide the right time to panic / revolt / remove the board?

Have you got a plan for the removal of the Board or do you know anyone who does? That’s a genuine question, not a smart-alec one.

 

Actually if there is a plan, best not reveal it yet.

[CammyF 8,079]

2 minutes ago, Scott7 said:

I thought the only shambolic bit was the delivery of the Chinese steel and there’s nothing the Board could have done about that. Do you know if the contractors are under penalty for overrun? I don’t. I hope they are but perhaps they are not. As Gonzo says, not many large building contracts complete on time. Not many small ones either. Emirates was an outstanding exception. I wonder how the Everton stadium is doing.

Then there should have been contingencies in place. The project had a short-time scale to be completed in. It was a known timescale and the board continually assured fans that it was on track (when it clearly wasn't) and were continuing to say so up to hours before having to come clean. 

 

Before the project started (in earnest) we should have known that if it slipped then we'd be playing 'x' number of games at a stadium and had that all arranged - we didn't. 

 

If it is such industry knowledge that these projects slip, the board's lack of contingencies reflects even worse on them.

 

 

[CammyF 8,079]

1 minute ago, Scott7 said:

Have you got a plan for the removal of the Board or do you know anyone who does? That’s a genuine question, not a smart-alec one.

 

Actually if there is a plan, best not reveal it yet.

The only way to force the board into action is to stop going to games and stop funding them. Its the only "tool" we have. 

 

Going by lack of ticket sales for tomorrow, it may have already started 😀

[Scott7 6,002]

1 minute ago, CammyF said:

Then there should have been contingencies in place.

Such as compelling the contractors to order double materials from separate sources? That would be expensive.

 

Hampden was the only feasible alternative stadium and that’s what came to pass. Perhaps short notice gave the SFA the chance to uplift the hire out charges. Again, I don’t know one way or the other.

[compo 7,030]

1 hour ago, CammyF said:

I wonder when we'll decide the right time to panic / revolt / remove the board?

 

Will it be after 1 title in 14 years? 1 in 15? 1 in 20? 

 

It appears us fans have only two plans at the moment ;

 

Plan A - hope this board somehow turns us around despite gross mismanagement up to this point.

 

Plan B - hope that Celtic fall apart.

 

Neither plan seems feasible to me.

So you remove the board and they take back their loans were does that leave us might be up the creek without a paddle 

[Scott7 6,002]

6 minutes ago, CammyF said:

Going by lack of ticket sales for tomorrow, it may have already started

Cup ties don’t usually sell out until the later rounds. Not even semifinals if the opposition isn’t a big name.