Scott7 6,001 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 Gribz and buster both back on the same day. Bill should be along in a minute. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERRAB 3,653 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 1 hour ago, Scott7 said: Gribz and buster both back on the same day. Bill should be along in a minute. Where’s bill? I miss his posts 🤓 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Ro55 759 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 Football supporters in general are never on the same page. For me it seems way early to judge this past transfer window as we have yet to see some of the incoming players. A few others and myself have also stated that one window would never cure all our ills. For that reason I'm still fully behind Big Phil. C'mon The Gers 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 8,078 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 3 hours ago, buster. said: I'd say that the current situation is very different to pre-Souness in various important aspects. The league is a lot lesss competitive and we find ourselves moored in a very predictable second place. A long way behind the team above and over a season, a long way in front of the provinicial pack. We have went decades spending more money than we generate. We have become used to spending our way (often badly) out of problems. Even after 2012, when things caught up on us. We dressed up the continual overspend as a strategic medium term measure that would be financed and get us back to the top of Scottish football, 'structured losses'. Fine, only we can't shake the addiction. John Bennett rightly recognises the need to change. But it seems to me that he hasn't got the cojones to face up to a support who generally don't really get the extent to which things need to change and the time it may take. Fergus McCann was the guy who turned the other side of the city around and later, they happened upon Peter Lawwell, who took charge of building on those new financial foundations. Two strong characters, who most of the Celtic support didn't/don't care for because the short-term medicine wasn't what they wanted. But they didn't flinch or seem to care about their popularity, headlines and social media 'feedback'. We don't have that type of leadership. We don't have the money to embark on our usual M.O. path to solve problems FFP further complicates matters In a season or two, European football post August will not be a given. The normal timescales of cyclical success in Scottish football no longer apply and as it stands, we depend on them making an complete erse of things. Only way out is for a good manager to be given time to build a team/squad. I thought Clement was that man. Now, I'm not sure but looking at his signings, he does seem committed to the medium term and we need to support the 'project' and cross our fingers. Given expectation timescales, I'm not optimistic. As for what Compo was getting at. When you come away from an OF scudding with questions about the application of some players, it suggests that something isn't quite right. Whilst I agree with moat of what you say, there are also alarming similarities to the pre-Souness days. I just hope (that word again) and pray that there is a David Holmes like figure lurking somewhere within Ibrox, or waiting in the wings. However, even if there is, don't think / trust the board to find / promote / employ them. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 5,183 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 9 minutes ago, CammyF said: Whilst I agree with moat of what you say, there are also alarming similarities to the pre-Souness days. I just hope (that word again) and pray that there is a David Holmes like figure lurking somewhere within Ibrox, or waiting in the wings. However, even if there is, don't think / trust the board to find / promote / employ them. Then, David Holmes was given the where with all to help bring in a big hitter, Souness alongside England Internationals at a time when European football wasn't effectively, a closed shop and domestic rivals weren't out of sight. There was also scope to significantly increase revenue by filling the stadium. Today, it is a LOT more difficult. We are badly run, have weak leadership, little finance and the challenge will be to maintain attendance levels. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 8,078 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 Just now, buster. said: Then, David Holmes was given the where with all to help bring in a big hitter, Souness alongside England Internationals at a time when European football wasn't effectively, a closed shop and domestic rivals weren't out of sight. There was also scope to significantly increase revenue by filling the stadium. Today, it is a LOT more difficult. We are badly run, have weak leadership, little finance and the challenge will be to maintain attendance levels. Agreed, but the "status quo" isn't an option unless we are willing to accept finishing 2nd (at best) for the foreseeable future. One or two more defeats (domestically) this month and attendances will fall off a cliff (not a major financial impact as 43,000 tickets have been paid in advance) but not good optically. All you state in your 2nd sentence above, was true pre Holmes / Souness. Football has changed significantly since those days, but the challenge is for the board to employ the correct people to move us forward both off and on the pitch. Their record in doing so thus far, doesn't give much confidence. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 15,292 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 (edited) The football landscape, in Scotland and in Europe, has changed significantly in the last forty years, so much so that I'm not sure comparisons are worthwhile. At least our players put up a fight against Celtc back then though. Recent trips to the Piggery look like a waste of time - we'd be as well not turning up. Edited September 10 by Gonzo79 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 8,078 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 3 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said: The football landscape, in Scotland and in Europe, has changed significantly in the last forty years, so much so that I'm not sure comparisons are worthwhile. At least our players put up a fight against Celtc back then though. Recent trips to the Piggery look like a waste of time - we'd be as well not turning up. Whilst the landscape has changed, the consequences of "winning" and "losing" remain the same. Let's not forget, we managed to get to a EL final not so long ago. I'd go as far to say, if we had won that evening, it would have been the greatest achievement in our clubs history (given how the landscape has changed). It's gotten to a stage where our only legitimate hope is for Celtic to "feck up", that is totally unacceptable and unsustainable. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7 6,001 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 1 hour ago, RANGERRAB said: Where’s bill? I miss his posts 🤓 Bill disagreed with a Board policy which Frankie was compelled by Hate Crime legislation to impose. Bill was suspended. He disagreed with that too and didn’t come back at the end of the suspension. The irony is that he objected to being gagged by the government and has ended up effectively gagged by principle. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexscottislegend 2,318 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 Godsake, give me some good news someone! I hear that Tav could be Turkey-bound; if so, why has he just bought a flat in Glasgow? Is he shaping up to be player-manager? Here's a thought? Would you welcome back Gerrard? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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