Rousseau 10,806 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 43 minutes ago, der Berliner said: Tavernier is a right-back, that he roves about the centre circle or elsewhere is just testimony that he does not play his assigned role, even less so than before. He is not exactly helping in the middle, nor his fellow defenders, for everytime he is found elsewhere, you can expect the opposition to lob a ball into the area vacated by him. I need no fluidity charts or US-style stats to see that our system has been failing for years. I quick look at the players we play and where says it all. He is playing his assigned role: it's called an inverted fullback, like Zinchenko, Timber, Gvardiol, Walker... Greg f*cking Taylor! Do you even watch football? (The benefits of the role and whether Tavernier can do it - I think not - is up for debate.) My original point, again: formations - especially those derived from a team sheet - are mostly irrelevant. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger_syntax 4,422 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 57 minutes ago, der Berliner said: Tavernier is a right-back, that he roves about the centre circle or elsewhere is just testimony that he does not play his assigned role, even less so than before. He is not exactly helping in the middle, nor his fellow defenders, for everytime he is found elsewhere, you can expect the opposition to lob a ball into the area vacated by him. I need no fluidity charts or US-style stats to see that our system has been failing for years. I quick look at the players we play and where says it all. Great point. No idea why Tavernier does not just stick to his assigned role. Maintaining the formation is key. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 8,370 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 (edited) Does moving the St Johnstone game to a 8:PM Sunday Night kickoff count as a "fresh approach"? Edited September 4 by CammyF 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuddie 1,693 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Would be interested to see if we try and develop Kasan into our own Geertruida. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 15,299 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 1 hour ago, ranger_syntax said: Like Saša Papac? This new fangled terminology confuses me. I meant inverted, not introverted. I wonder what an inverse or invertebrate full-back would look like. 🤪 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuddie 1,693 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 40 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said: This new fangled terminology confuses me. I meant inverted, not introverted. I wonder what an inverse or invertebrate full-back would look like. 🤪 Made me laugh tbf. I mean, you say introverted - I'd say scared stiff of the ball. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo 7,184 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 4 hours ago, ranger_syntax said: Great point. No idea why Tavernier does not just stick to his assigned role. Maintaining the formation is key. His role is right back a defender in my day but the thing is he’s done over the hill finished he bottles it in games against Celtic so get rid of him before he does any more damage 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMAA 3,658 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 On 03/09/2024 at 21:53, WorthingBear91 said: Well one in two then right now dessers is one in 5 against them but that is what is acceptable against celtic now He’s scored two against them. Not his fault that one was disallowed. He also made the goal for Roofe against them that was wrongly disallowed too. Not saying it’s enough or acceptable but it’s a bit unfair to say he’s only scored one without mentioning that. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMAA 3,658 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 (edited) On 03/09/2024 at 20:32, Rousseau said: I fully agree with your point, but Dessers scored 16 league goals last season. I think the criticism comes from his wastefulness: 16 goals from an xG of 19. He was wasteful. But, he has been clinical this season: 3 goals from an xG of 3.1. Superb. If he keeps close to that even the haters will fall in line. Dessers is not one of our main issues. Hmm. Dessers has a history of wastefulness though so there’s every reason to believe that his current Goals to xG ratio will correct back to being below average. I said it last summer, not a good signing. His stats at Feyenoord are exactly what we see now. Essentially a poacher who isn’t that clinical. Beale should have known that he doesn’t really get involved in the play at all. He’s just there to score. And he does achieve high xG so one way or another he has the knack for getting more chances than most. Probably partly because he doesn’t feel the need to work back as others do. Someone said earlier that Danilo is just the same. He’s a completely different striker who is better than Dessers are getting involved in the play and he’s streets ahead for winning the ball back. Unfortunately the stats seem pretty clear that he isn’t a clinical striker either. Hopefully we get to see him get a run this season. Edited September 4 by DMAA 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger_syntax 4,422 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Why are people still waffling on about xG ratios? Watch Dessers stumble over the ball in a great position 2 or 3 times and you know enough. He's terrible. No further 'analysis' required. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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