CammyF 8,079 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 6 minutes ago, WorthingBear91 said: Well one in two then right now dessers is one in 5 against them but that is what is acceptable against celtic now Did I say it was acceptable? 1 in 2 is exceptional, Dessers has played 1 full season. McCoist was ridiculed for years at Rangers, fans chanting for him to get to "fcuk". Fans have short memories. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 15,292 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 For me Dessers misses easy chances, doesn't hold play up, falls over far too easily, is constantly trying to make friends with officials and opposition players and has the first touch of a blind baby elephant. He has short decent spells (like his mini recent scoring spree) but then reverts to type and we get a handful of matches where he plays like he did against the scum. His whole career has been like that, so it's unlikely it'll change. Comparing him to McCoist is pointless. McCoist's job was to score goals. Forwards have to do a lot more these days. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 8,079 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 12 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said: For me Dessers misses easy chances, doesn't hold play up, falls over far too easily, is constantly trying to make friends with officials and opposition players and has the first touch of a blind baby elephant. He has short decent spells (like his mini recent scoring spree) but then reverts to type and we get a handful of matches where he plays like he did against the scum. His whole career has been like that, so it's unlikely it'll change. Comparing him to McCoist is pointless. McCoist's job was to score goals. Forwards have to do a lot more these days. I wasn't comparing him to McCoist - he couldn't lace Allys boots. I gave MCoist as an example of how scoring 1 goal per OF game is unrealistic. In my time supporting Rangers, McCoist was the player I knew I could rely on to score against them and he did - but not at a goal a game. Dessers is what we have, comparing him to anyone is pointless - listing his strengths and weaknesses is pointless. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7 6,002 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 11 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said: McCoist's job was to score goals. Alec Smith, manager at Aberdeen, noted that when Rangers lost possession McCoist and Hateley would immediately run back to occupy space in front of the defence. Can’t say I noticed it but Smith is a more accurate observer than I. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 8,079 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 1 minute ago, Scott7 said: Alec Smith, manager at Aberdeen, noted that when Rangers lost possession McCoist and Hateley would immediately run back to occupy space in front of the defence. Can’t say I noticed it but Smith is a more accurate observer than I. People forget just how good McCoist and Hateley were as footballers and not just goalscorers. As I said above, fans have short memories. Both were fantastic football players as well as fantastic goal scorers 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 15,292 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 17 minutes ago, CammyF said: I wasn't comparing him to McCoist - he couldn't lace Allys boots Sorry, I wasn't meaning that specific comparison. A goal every other game is generally considered a good record for a striker. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorthingBear91 157 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, CammyF said: Did I say it was acceptable? 1 in 2 is exceptional, Dessers has played 1 full season. McCoist was ridiculed for years at Rangers, fans chanting for him to get to "fcuk". Fans have short memories. Furuhashi is 8 in 15 in old firm games is he as good as McCoist i think not, Dessers is a squad player I would keep but we need more, unless he turns a corner and contributes in old firm games they are the most meaningful games every season. Edited September 3 by WorthingBear91 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,743 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 20 hours ago, Rousseau said: We're more fluid than what you're describing. Tavernier has been inverting for a while: Auxiliary wingers? In phases, sure. In phases they're not. 'That our DMs are primarily defence-minded players is' incorrect. I posted a pass network a few weeks ago showing Diomande - despite playing as part of a '2' on paper - was pushed forward, playing as an #8. He even plays as a #10 at times. Lawrence -who hasn't got a defensive bone in his body - has played as part of a double pivot. So, it's not 'how we line up in terms of playing personnel'. Tavernier is a RB playing as a DM; Barron is a DM dropping in to play as a CB in build-up; Diomande is a DM that pushes forward. Our #10 presses forward without the ball. (Not all at the same time, of course.) The 4-2-3-1 is only used on paper. The game is more fluid than that. Hence my original point: formations are mostly irrelevant. Tavernier is a right-back, that he roves about the centre circle or elsewhere is just testimony that he does not play his assigned role, even less so than before. He is not exactly helping in the middle, nor his fellow defenders, for everytime he is found elsewhere, you can expect the opposition to lob a ball into the area vacated by him. I need no fluidity charts or US-style stats to see that our system has been failing for years. I quick look at the players we play and where says it all. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 15,292 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 17 minutes ago, der Berliner said: Tavernier is a right-back, that he roves about the centre circle or elsewhere is just testimony that he does not play his assigned role, His assigned role involves being in more than one area of the pitch, including right wing and more central areas (introverted full-back). 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger_syntax 4,316 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 17 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said: His assigned role involves being in more than one area of the pitch, including right wing and more central areas (introverted full-back). Like Saša Papac? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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