Rousseau 10,600 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 A Scottish FA-commissioned report has suggested the introduction of a 'co-operation system' in Scottish football which could prove to be an alternative to B teams. Currently, Rangers B do not compete in a formal league season after pulling out of the Lowland League following the rejected Conference League proposal. It means it can be challenging for youth players to get minutes in a first-team environment outwith a youth context other than if they are sent out on loan. The difficulty there, though, is the commitment for players to leave for a set period of time before being able to return to Rangers and potentially feature in European squads as a home-grown player or in domestic action. The 'co-operation system' - suggested by the 'Report on the transition phase' findings - would see partnerships formed between clubs in Scotland allowing free movement for players between their parent club and the partner side. In effect, that would mean a youth Rangers player could play for the first team of a 'co-operative club' and then return to feature for the Ibrox side in Europe or should an injury crisis occur. “It's a system which has already been established, it's been used for a number of years in some other countries,” Chris Docherty, head of men's elite strategy at the SFA said. “Austria, for example, has been a country which has got one of the longest running histories of doing so. So, let's say for example Red Bull Salzburg, they don't have a B team which plays in the pyramid like in some other countries, but they've got Liefering, who's a co-operation club with them, a partnership club. “And in Croatia they now have the co-operation system model, in Hungary we had a co-operation model. I worked in Hungary, and we had a co-operation team in the second division. “So, basically within that model it allows players, similar to a loan, but it allows them to move back and forward between two clubs who don't play in the same division concurrently, to move back and forward outside the transfer window. “With the co-operation system, you could hypothetically go and play a senior game at the weekend, and then you could come back and be part of the matchday squad for European competition as well." Docherty added: “Typically, within your 23-player squad, you might have four or five of those, or players come through from the academy. So, you're then hesitant to put them out on loan, because again, if you get four or five injuries, you need those players to be playing in your team. “However, when you don't get those injuries, those players don't play in your team, so again we see an issue where sometimes the players that go out on loan are not the ones that the head coach or the club actually identify as the highest potential player, but they then overtake that player because they've got minutes playing senior football. https://www.rangersreview.co.uk/news/24533161.rangers-b-alternative-proposed-scottish-fa/ 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuddie 1,693 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 21 minutes ago, Rousseau said: A Scottish FA-commissioned report has suggested the introduction of a 'co-operation system' in Scottish football which could prove to be an alternative to B teams. Currently, Rangers B do not compete in a formal league season after pulling out of the Lowland League following the rejected Conference League proposal. It means it can be challenging for youth players to get minutes in a first-team environment outwith a youth context other than if they are sent out on loan. The difficulty there, though, is the commitment for players to leave for a set period of time before being able to return to Rangers and potentially feature in European squads as a home-grown player or in domestic action. The 'co-operation system' - suggested by the 'Report on the transition phase' findings - would see partnerships formed between clubs in Scotland allowing free movement for players between their parent club and the partner side. In effect, that would mean a youth Rangers player could play for the first team of a 'co-operative club' and then return to feature for the Ibrox side in Europe or should an injury crisis occur. “It's a system which has already been established, it's been used for a number of years in some other countries,” Chris Docherty, head of men's elite strategy at the SFA said. “Austria, for example, has been a country which has got one of the longest running histories of doing so. So, let's say for example Red Bull Salzburg, they don't have a B team which plays in the pyramid like in some other countries, but they've got Liefering, who's a co-operation club with them, a partnership club. “And in Croatia they now have the co-operation system model, in Hungary we had a co-operation model. I worked in Hungary, and we had a co-operation team in the second division. “So, basically within that model it allows players, similar to a loan, but it allows them to move back and forward between two clubs who don't play in the same division concurrently, to move back and forward outside the transfer window. “With the co-operation system, you could hypothetically go and play a senior game at the weekend, and then you could come back and be part of the matchday squad for European competition as well." Docherty added: “Typically, within your 23-player squad, you might have four or five of those, or players come through from the academy. So, you're then hesitant to put them out on loan, because again, if you get four or five injuries, you need those players to be playing in your team. “However, when you don't get those injuries, those players don't play in your team, so again we see an issue where sometimes the players that go out on loan are not the ones that the head coach or the club actually identify as the highest potential player, but they then overtake that player because they've got minutes playing senior football. https://www.rangersreview.co.uk/news/24533161.rangers-b-alternative-proposed-scottish-fa/ Don't mind it, not quite sure where those minutes are coming from though? Is there an obligation? More importantly who would co-operate with us? Partick? Ayr? Falkirk? They'd all kibosh it. Unless we promise to invest in these clubs in exchange, money talks after all. Then I could see it happening. At this point just go and buy Darvel and get them flying up the leagues. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutton_blows_goats 5,326 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 That's a decent idea for once. The Salzburg and Liefering example is a proven path to success. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger_syntax 4,314 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 Another bad idea. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutton_blows_goats 5,326 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 12 hours ago, yuddie said: At this point just go and buy Darvel and get them flying up the leagues I think there is a limit of 2 players on loan from same club per season and 4 on loan in total. Otherwise aye, buy a diddy team like Clyde under a myriad of shell companies to get around duel ownership and use it to develop players. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,742 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Not like they do it in ice-hockey for ages ... ... but imagine these hardcore Queens Park or Clyde fans who want to see their "own team develop" ahead of being "used" by the "money-grabbing" giants. Yeah, I can see how that will go ... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rousseau 10,600 Posted August 22 Author Share Posted August 22 11 minutes ago, der Berliner said: Not like they do it in ice-hockey for ages ... ... but imagine these hardcore Queens Park or Clyde fans who want to see their "own team develop" ahead of being "used" by the "money-grabbing" giants. Yeah, I can see how that will go ... You're probably correct. I'd still like to see some sort of B-team solution, though. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuddie 1,693 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Could we get them into the NIFL? We already play them in friendlies. If it costs a chunk of change upfront then it's worth it imo. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuddie 1,693 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Also whilst I'm at it, if this goes deeper than simply just loaning players and we end up subsidising the partner club with different things then isn't just worth it to build on the community pitch at Ibrox and build a <10k stadium for the Women's and B team? Have a proper matchday complex/experience following the Rangers. Maybe I'm on the deludamol but if we're a serious club I'd like to think we've had discussions around this. The best option is still having the B team in the league system. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewarty 2,017 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Anything is surely better than the B team playing endless friendlies. The cynic in me thinks this will go nowhere though 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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