The Summer 2024 Rangers Transfer Window Rumours and Deals - Thread

[RANGERRAB 3,653]

4 hours ago, yuddie said:

Lads like Munn, Gentles and Nsio should be earmarked for the first team imo.

 

In any other league in Europe that has a youth cup for their respective association, the winners will have players bled into the first team.

 

Mainoo and Garnacho as a recent example.

 

Rangers should do the same.

They’ll only be ‘earmarked for the first team’ if they’re good enough 

[yuddie 1,693]

4 minutes ago, RANGERRAB said:

They’ll only be ‘earmarked for the first team’ if they’re good enough 

True enough.

 

If no players are coming through from a youth cup winning team then there's something inherently wrong with your academy and pathway to the first team though imo.

 

Even Jay fucking Spearing got games for Liverpool after winning with the unders way back when.

[Gonzo79 15,292]

Rangers need a winning team.  Playing youths for the sake of it would be daft.

[yuddie 1,693]

2 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said:

Rangers need a winning team.  Playing youths for the sake of it would be daft.

Aye I get that.

 

What we've done previously clearly hasn't worked, so what else can we do?

 

If we were a well run club we'd have an identity from u8's through to the seniors and blooding youngsters would make more sense than spending 3m on a 20 year old Morrocan or German.

 

This isn't wishful thinking, it's happening at the top level with Liverpool, City, Utd etc.

 

Don't flood the first team with them, but why a Robbie Fraser or Cole McKinnon couldn't come in for a home game against St Johnstone or County is bemusing. It just reeks of fear and short term ism.

 

Fans would rather bin the academy than try and proactively use it - madness.

[Gonzo79 15,292]

33 minutes ago, yuddie said:

This isn't wishful thinking, it's happening at the top level with Liverpool, City, Utd etc.

And the EPL clubs are hoovering up the best young talent from diddy leagues across Europe ...Billy Gilmour, for example. 

[JohnMc 2,750]

9 hours ago, yuddie said:

Aye I get that.

 

What we've done previously clearly hasn't worked, so what else can we do?

 

If we were a well run club we'd have an identity from u8's through to the seniors and blooding youngsters would make more sense than spending 3m on a 20 year old Morrocan or German.

 

This isn't wishful thinking, it's happening at the top level with Liverpool, City, Utd etc.

 

Don't flood the first team with them, but why a Robbie Fraser or Cole McKinnon couldn't come in for a home game against St Johnstone or County is bemusing. It just reeks of fear and short term ism.

 

Fans would rather bin the academy than try and proactively use it - madness.

We're the living embodiment of short-termism. Rangers manager's job will come under pressure if we go three matches without a win, he'll lose it if we go five. Rangers directors will come under pressure if we don't win the league or have to fire a manager during the season. A Rangers player will come under pressure if they have a couple of poor games in a row. This is no exaggeration. Putting young players into that environment is problematic. Young players will make mistakes and as mistakes cost managers their jobs, cost their team mates win bonuses and pile pressure on directors no one is too interested in making that happen. 

There's a big argument that Rangers should close their 'academy', save the money and simply sign players that are ready for the first team. Let young players develop at clubs without the pressure and demands of Rangers. 

[Sutton_blows_goats 5,329]

10 hours ago, yuddie said:

Aye I get that.

 

What we've done previously clearly hasn't worked, so what else can we do?

 

If we were a well run club we'd have an identity from u8's through to the seniors and blooding youngsters would make more sense than spending 3m on a 20 year old Morrocan or German.

 

This isn't wishful thinking, it's happening at the top level with Liverpool, City, Utd etc.

 

Don't flood the first team with them, but why a Robbie Fraser or Cole McKinnon couldn't come in for a home game against St Johnstone or County is bemusing. It just reeks of fear and short term ism.

 

Fans would rather bin the academy than try and proactively use it - madness.

The manager said before that McCausland had only trained with the first team 5 times before he joined the club. There has got to be a pathway, a transition, a bedding in - call it what you will for the youth players to the first team. Surely it must be much easier to play with guys you know and have a rapport with (especially as a young in experienced player) rather than being chucked in and expected to save our season.

 

Agree 100% about throwing guys in (if they deserve it) at home games v St Johnstone or Ross County.

 

The other thing no one talks about is the 5 subs. We are at home to St Johnstone or Ross County and 2-0 up at half time then bring on a few youngsters after 50-60 mins. 

[buster. 5,185]

57 minutes ago, JohnMc said:

We're the living embodiment of short-termism. Rangers manager's job will come under pressure if we go three matches without a win, he'll lose it if we go five. Rangers directors will come under pressure if we don't win the league or have to fire a manager during the season. A Rangers player will come under pressure if they have a couple of poor games in a row. This is no exaggeration. Putting young players into that environment is problematic. Young players will make mistakes and as mistakes cost managers their jobs, cost their team mates win bonuses and pile pressure on directors no one is too interested in making that happen. 

There's a big argument that Rangers should close their 'academy', save the money and simply sign players that are ready for the first team. Let young players develop at clubs without the pressure and demands of Rangers. 

Aye, pretty much.

 

The pressure and problems mount when, as is the case today, we operate in a supposedly 2 horse race that is really them out in front (in various aspects, especially financial) and us desperately trying to stay competitive.

 

We tend to do this by trying to squeeze value out of the money spent.

A transfer market is the perfect example. It hasn't worked.

I bet the same general thread is behind the problem with the stadium redevelopment work delay.

 

Given circumstances, if we expect to win the league this coming season, we are delusional. Hope, yes....Expectation, for the blind.

To let Clement and his staff change things. To radically overhaul the squad, to put the emphasis on younger players and build..... He needs time.

 

It is all very well saying....We are Rangers, it has to happen now...... but that will only take us deeper into a hole.

 

Being on the Rangers board is a thankless task.

We need an alchemist or two.

Edited June 27 by buster.

[Uilleam 5,929]

22 minutes ago, JohnMc said:

There's a big argument that Rangers should close their 'academy', save the money and simply sign players that are ready for the first team. Let young players develop at clubs without the pressure and demands of Rangers. 

And spend significant coin on players whose ability to withstand the 'unique' pressures, and environment, of Rangers, and to carry that heavy shirt, is untested, and thus, unknown?

 

I have been told, many times, that all transfers are a risk. Therefore, the more players you buy, the greater the risk. 

 

It strikes me that with a youth set up, you will, inevitably, have a high 'churn rate'; this would also be the case with purchased players, who do not come up to expectations. 

 

If you have a player from say age 15/16 to, say 19/ 20, you will have a pretty clear idea of his talent, and of his personality (considered broadly), both of which you will have helped to develop. When you buy a player, at, say, 20, you will have, from observation, an idea of his talent, but less of his personality. 

 

The nub of the matter, perhaps, is that one player has the talent, and the personality, but not the experience, while the other has, as far as you can discern, the talent, and the experience, but with his personality, largely, unknown. 

What is needed is for the home schooled players to gain the necessary experience. This seems to be difficult, internally, and externally, and I am not sure how you solve the problem. 

However, despite this, it would seem logical not to commit all  resources to one policy and practice. 

 

 

 

[Rousseau 10,602]

32 minutes ago, Uilleam said:

What is needed is for the home schooled players to gain the necessary experience. This seems to be difficult, internally, and externally, and I am not sure how you solve the problem. 

B-teams in the league structure, like Spain, Germany, Belgium, Portugal, Netherlands.