The Summer 2024 Rangers Transfer Window Rumours and Deals - Thread

[Scott7 5,456]

8 minutes ago, Sutton_blows_goats said:

But where do the regista, trequarista, mezzala, libero etc come in to play?

San Siro.

[Rousseau 9,731]

4 minutes ago, Scott7 said:

Push your fullbacks out wider, withdraw the cb to a position between and slightly forward of them and the two hbs to his left and right and slightly forward. 
The hbs didn’t go to the touchline except in pursuit while defending or rarely, because of the presence of wingers, overlapping their inside forward on the attack.

Everybody all over the place when the hurly burly began.

OK - so in your conception it's more of a 3-2-5. (How Man City line up today.)

 

It's pretty much the same, though. 

 

I still maintain that a Half-back is the equivalent of a central midfielder - who, as you say, can go wide, but are nominally central, like a #8 today. 

[Rousseau 9,731]

13 minutes ago, der Berliner said:

From my East German "Picture Vocabulary" of 1957 ...

 

The Goalkeeper

 

The Right Back - The Left Back

 

The Right Half - The Centre Half - The Left Half

 

The Outside Right (or Right Winger) - The Inside Right - The Centre Forward - The Inside Left - The Outside Left (or Left Winger)

 

... what a sight to behold. I'd re-name them today as ...

 

The Goalkeeper

 

The Right Centre Half - The Left Centre Half

 

The Right Wingback - The Defensive Midfielder - The Left Wingback

 

The Right Winger - The Right Forward - The Centre Forward - The Left Forward - Left Winger

 

... and it would be totally fine for 95 % of our Scottish games.

The only thing I'd disagree with is the Right-half as a modern Right-wingback. That's just incorrect; a wingback hugs the touchline. 

[Scott7 5,456]

1 hour ago, Rousseau said:

OK - so in your conception it's more of a 3-2-5.

Almost there. One of the inside forwards was usually a little bit back from the front line, so on the blackboard it was 3-3-4.

On the field the reality became 4-2-4 when the cb dropped back on the fbs taking the defensive hb with him.

The attacking hb still had defensive duties - intercepting the opponents’ forward passes, countering an attacker, receiving the ball from his own backline. Then his duties changed to attack - passing to his inside forward or carrying it forward himself to a better position for the pass. Very rarely, pace  Professor @compo, unleashing the shot himself.

In your mind’s eye, draw a line back from the centre circle to the line of the penalty box. Extend the penalty box line to the touchline. That gives you two imaginary rectangles left and right, the fiefdoms in which the hbs, left and right were lords. They would be expected, however, to get involved in stramashes in their own penalty box especially the defensive chap and occasionally the attacking chap might find himself in the opponents’ box.

All of this goes out the window when your hbs are Greig and Baxter.

[compo 6,408]

12 minutes ago, Scott7 said:

Almost there. One of the inside forwards was usually a little bit back from the front line, so on the blackboard it was 3-3-4.

On the field the reality became 4-2-4 when the cb dropped back on the fbs taking the defensive hb with him.

The attacking hb still had defensive duties - intercepting the opponents’ forward passes, countering an attacker, receiving the ball from his own backline. Then his duties changed to attack - passing to his inside forward or carrying it forward himself to a better position for the pass. Very rarely, pace  Professor @compo, unleashing the shot himself.

In your mind’s eye, draw a line back from the centre circle to the line of the penalty box. Extend the penalty box line to the touchline. That gives you two imaginary rectangles left and right, the fiefdoms in which the hbs, left and right were lords. They would be expected, however, to get involved in stramashes in their own penalty box especially the defensive chap and occasionally the attacking chap might find himself in the opponents’ box.

All of this goes out the window when your hbs are Greig and Baxter.

Eddie Turnball would in my mind have been a good example of a half  back who could tussle in and around his own penalty box then break upfield to play the killer pass or be involved in a killer one-two with a team mate but i watch lots of these modern boys and to me it looks like they are all reading a  different recipe .

[Rousseau 9,731]

1 hour ago, Scott7 said:

Almost there. One of the inside forwards was usually a little bit back from the front line, so on the blackboard it was 3-3-4.

On the field the reality became 4-2-4 when the cb dropped back on the fbs taking the defensive hb with him.

The attacking hb still had defensive duties - intercepting the opponents’ forward passes, countering an attacker, receiving the ball from his own backline. Then his duties changed to attack - passing to his inside forward or carrying it forward himself to a better position for the pass. Very rarely, pace  Professor @compo, unleashing the shot himself.

In your mind’s eye, draw a line back from the centre circle to the line of the penalty box. Extend the penalty box line to the touchline. That gives you two imaginary rectangles left and right, the fiefdoms in which the hbs, left and right were lords. They would be expected, however, to get involved in stramashes in their own penalty box especially the defensive chap and occasionally the attacking chap might find himself in the opponents’ box.

All of this goes out the window when your hbs are Greig and Baxter.

Basically what you see today, but reversed: Man City play a 4-3-3 on paper, but in attack it morphs into a 3-2-5.

 

What you're describing is a modern #8. 

 

Your imaginary rectangles are virtually what is called the half-space today - with the exception that it doesn't go to the touchline and leaves a central channel, too. Yet a #8 will be expected to cover those areas regardless. 

[Rousseau 9,731]

52 minutes ago, compo said:

Eddie Turnball would in my mind have been a good example of a half  back who could tussle in and around his own penalty box then break upfield to play the killer pass or be involved in a killer one-two with a team mate but i watch lots of these modern boys and to me it looks like they are all reading a  different recipe .

That all-round game has been coached out of modern players, because their roles are now specialised.

 

Being supprime at one role will always trump those players that do a bit of everything. 

[Scott7 5,456]

Turnbull was a great player, performed exactly as described by Professor @compo. He could also let go a rocket shot. Scored about two hundred goals for the Hibs including all four in a 4-1 defeat of celtic. What a hero. 
Although he started as left half he played mostly at inside left which explains the goals.

The half back pair that fitted the template best was Cumming, defensive and McKay attacking.  Davis and Stevenson/Baxter (Rangers) Allister and Glen (Aberdeen) were similar.

In pitch geography terms the fbs were rarely out of their own half, the wingers and cf rarely in it but the hbs were box to box - goal line to goal line when necessary.

[der Berliner 3,401]

4 hours ago, Rousseau said:

The only thing I'd disagree with is the Right-half as a modern Right-wingback. That's just incorrect; a wingback hugs the touchline. 

Isn't that exactly what the modern fullback a.k.a. wing(er/full)back does? I just didn't put enough space between these wingbacks and the Defensive Midfielder, so kept a bit more of the old shape.

[Rousseau 9,731]

2 minutes ago, der Berliner said:

Isn't that exactly what the modern fullback a.k.a. wing(er/full)back does? I just didn't put enough space between these wingbacks and the Defensive Midfielder, so kept a bit more of the old shape.

Yes, but then it doesn't resemble the old style formation, which was the point of the post.