BlackSocksRedTops 3,806 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Apologies for adding a stat to compound our current state of mind-fuckery. If you compare Clements first 25 league games to Beales, the latter comes out on top with 61 points to Clements 60 points. Considering Beale was up against a Celtic team that didn't drop many points under Ange, it somewhat dispels the idea that Clement has worked "miracles". Don't get me wrong, I like Clement but starting Silva, Lawrence and Goldson tonight baffles me. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 8,375 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 3 minutes ago, BlackSocksRedTops said: Apologies for adding a stat to compound our current state of mind-fuckery. If you compare Clements first 25 league games to Beales, the latter comes out on top with 61 points to Clements 60 points. Considering Beale was up against a Celtic team that didn't drop many points under Ange, it somewhat dispels the idea that Clement has worked "miracles". Don't get me wrong, I like Clement but starting Silva, Lawrence and Goldson tonight baffles me. And even if we win all our remaining league games this season we'll not reach the same total us we managed last season. We were only ever in a title race as Celtic have regressed dramatically. That's what makes our capitulation even worse. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 8,375 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Oh dear 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gonzo79 15,299 Posted April 17 Popular Post Share Posted April 17 (edited) I have no idea why people take pressers at face value. No manager tells the absolute truth when facing the press. Edited April 17 by Gonzo79 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DMAA 3,658 Posted April 17 Popular Post Share Posted April 17 The overriding narrative tonight is that the “old guard” are at fault. It is simplistic nonsense to pin a collapse like this on Tav, Goldson and Lundstram. Fans love a simple answer to a complex problem and that's what they've gone for. The sudden turn in our form since Hearts has been utterly mind boggling and I have no idea what has caused it, but I do know that the simplistic narrative being peddled tonight is not the answer. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo 7,198 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Manager must have tore into them after Sunday’s debacle told some of them a few home truth told some they won’t be hear next season and the dressing room leaders mustered the troops into some kind of go slow , it’s becoming a shambles they had a chance tonight to stake a claim for the title and played like they just didn't care . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERRAB 3,732 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 22 minutes ago, CammyF said: This romantic notion that things will magically change for the better if / when we get rid of "certain individuals" is pie in the sky or wishful thinking. Unless those certain individuals are the vast majority of our squad. Struggling to think of any reason to keep any of them. Beale more or less did this last summer. Got shot off players. Problem is the replacements mostly weren’t as good as those he let go. we will no doubt spend another summer looking for Bosmans & poundshop bargain signings hoping they improve us but probably won’t 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 8,375 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Just now, RANGERRAB said: Beale more or less did this last summer. Got shot off players. Problem is the replacements mostly weren’t as good as those he let go. we will no doubt spend another summer looking for Bosmans & poundshop bargain signings hoping they improve us but probably won’t That's the issue - people quote Beales transfer outlay, but in reality it was something like circa £6M net. He got rid of players we all.want rid off - Helander, Kent, Kamara, Morelos etc and they were not replaced by better players. We'll get rid of Tav, Barasic, Goldson and Lundstrum and their replacements may not be better. Never ending cycle. We have to give Clement a chance, he's only had 1 window and apart from Silva, the players brought in have looked like they could offer something. However, they were all loans (with 1 obligation to buy and 1 option to buy). So £4.5M of whatever the board promised Clement is going on Diomande. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERRAB 3,732 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 2 minutes ago, compo said: Manager must have tore into them after Sunday’s debacle told some of them a few home truth told some they won’t be hear next season and the dressing room leaders mustered the troops into some kind of go slow , it’s becoming a shambles they had a chance tonight to stake a claim for the title and played like they just didn't care . Much as though I hate to say it, the manager’s team selection these past few weeks haven’t helped. Constantly chopping & changing especially up front. I don’t think he did tear into them. I suspect he’s trying to protect them as their confidence is low & he knows some of them need to go. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 15,299 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 10 minutes ago, DMAA said: but I do know that the simplistic narrative being peddled tonight is not the answer How do you know that? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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