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[CammyF 8,097]

7 minutes ago, Rousseau said:

Domestic success; European failure. 

 

I would've sacked him before he reached NIAR.

 

I don't see the point in this?

The points are simple;

 

1/ With the demands you make for a Rangers team./ manager to be successful; domestic trebles and later participation in Europe, how many successful teams and managers have we had in our history?

 

2/ To be dominant domestically, we may have to sacrifice what you deem to be European success and vice versa.

Edited September 1, 2023 by CammyF

[Rousseau 10,615]

Just now, CammyF said:

The points are simple;

 

With the demands you make for a Rangers team./ manager to be successful; domestic trebles and later participation in Europe, how many successful teams and managers have we had in our history?

 

To be dominant domestically, we may have to sacrifice what you deem to be European success and vice versa.

OK. 

 

I disagree. 

 

Both are viable - albeit not with the limited definitions you've set. 

[CammyF 8,097]

2 minutes ago, Rousseau said:

OK. 

 

I disagree. 

 

Both are viable - albeit not with the limited definitions you've set. 

Why are you refusing to answer point 1? 

 

And I didn't set the definitions, you set the criteria to measure success

Edited September 1, 2023 by CammyF

[Rousseau 10,615]

1 minute ago, CammyF said:

Why are you refusing to answer point 1? 

What's point 1? How many successful teams have we had? 

 

There's no objective answer. 

[CammyF 8,097]

Just now, Rousseau said:

What's point 1? How many successful teams have we had? 

 

There's no objective answer. 

There is using your criteria - you've set the demands required to be successful, so by those standards, how many have there been? 

[Rousseau 10,615]

5 minutes ago, CammyF said:

There is using your criteria - you've set the demands required to be successful, so by those standards, how many have there been? 

I can't really remember too well how well we did in Europe, but:

 

Gerrard, McLeish, Dick, Walter. 

 

Domestic titles; decent runs in Europe. 

 

They're successful until they aren't. I probably would've sacked them all sooner than they were. 

[CammyF 8,097]

How was Gerrard successful using your criteria - one domestic trophy. Surely Gio was as successful? Scottish Cup and final of EL? 

[Rousseau 10,615]

13 minutes ago, CammyF said:

How was Gerrard successful using your criteria - one domestic trophy. Surely Gio was as successful? Scottish Cup and final of EL? 

No league for GvB - and I've always said he just built on what Gerrard put in place. 

 

Gerrard was consistently good in Europe. Domestically sub-par. Overall a success. I did want him sacked at the end, though. 

[Tannochsidebear 2,406]

6 hours ago, Bill said:

If I'm honest , no.

Didn’t think so and unfortunately I have to agree but truly absolutely hope I’m wrong. A convincing win on Sunday could be helicopter day for Beale’s fortunes. A defeat and he’s dead man walking.

[ranger_syntax 4,322]

3 hours ago, CammyF said:

Getting to the later rounds and enhancing our reputation / coefficient. 

You enhance your reputation by playing at the highest level possible.

 

The coefficient is a means to an end.

 

That is to say you only want a high coefficient because it helps you to play at a higher level.