Popular Post Bill 13,717 Posted October 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) I'm not going to go out to bat for GvB but the crisis lies mainly within the playing squad. You can talk all day about how we got here but pragmatism dictates it is what it is and the only issue is where do we go from here. Changing the coaching staff won't necessarily rescue this season but it might sink it altogether. Sacking GvB and keeping the players wont solve what's wrong at Rangers. There are clearly changes necessary among the playing staff and that is primarily the responsibility of Ross Wilson. If players need released or sold or loaned out or replaced then it's his job to get it done, albeit after consultation with the coaches. Edited October 21, 2022 by Bill 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSocksRedTops 3,809 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 I'm hoping the WC will derail any momentum the Tims have and in turn will give us time to reset and get viable options back in the squad. A fit Goldson, Hagi, Roofe and Lawrence will undoubtedly make a difference to our options for the 2nd half of the season. This however is dependent on being within touching distance to them. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rousseau 10,823 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, BlackSocksRedTops said: I'm hoping the WC will derail any momentum the Tims have and in turn will give us time to reset and get viable options back in the squad. A fit Goldson, Hagi, Roofe and Lawrence will undoubtedly make a difference to our options for the 2nd half of the season. This however is dependent on being within touching distance to them. Will it, though? They provide better quality than most other sides in the league, which will be enough most of the time, but it'll still be the same boring football that will come unstuck eventually, and won't allow us to overcome 'better' sides (i.e. Them). 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rousseau 10,823 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rousseau said: Will it, though? They provide better quality than most other sides in the league, which will be enough most of the time, but it'll still be the same boring football that will come unstuck eventually, and won't allow us to overcome 'better' sides (i.e. Them). The perfect example was last season. We were ahead, feeling quite comfortable, but we were not playing that well; we were scraping past games. The xG showed that They were doing better and that they should be ahead. And, we know what happened. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 8,408 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 37 minutes ago, Rousseau said: Will it, though? They provide better quality than most other sides in the league, which will be enough most of the time, but it'll still be the same boring football that will come unstuck eventually, and won't allow us to overcome 'better' sides (i.e. Them). We won't know until it happens unfortunately. Anything else is guesswork (on both sides of the argument). Theoretically, we could play terrible and continue to defeat the SPFL clubs outwith Celtic, then show up twice and defeat them. That would secure the league title. Outwith OF games, Gio has the best record of all recent Rangers managers, so in theory all that is missing, is beating them. Would there be any justification to sack a manager who won you the league no matter how "dire", or otherwise, the performances were? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rousseau 10,823 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 56 minutes ago, CammyF said: We won't know until it happens unfortunately. Anything else is guesswork (on both sides of the argument). Theoretically, we could play terrible and continue to defeat the SPFL clubs outwith Celtic, then show up twice and defeat them. That would secure the league title. Outwith OF games, Gio has the best record of all recent Rangers managers, so in theory all that is missing, is beating them. Would there be any justification to sack a manager who won you the league no matter how "dire", or otherwise, the performances were? Schrodinger's Bear? My issue is that I don't see these results continuing with these types of performances. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 8,408 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, Rousseau said: Schrodinger's Bear? My issue is that I don't see these results continuing with these types of performances. And that's a fair and valid point, but as is we keep getting same / more points than Celtic against the other SPL teams, then the league will be decided on the outcome of OF games. I can't see us beating them 3 times, so we'll need to outperform them in all other games to give us a buffer. Given where we are currently, there are valid arguments for and against Gios removal. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMAA 3,658 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) I think you can tell when a manager/team could go to the next level with better players. You can see a style of play and you can see players improving and outperforming their abilities. Better quality players would clearly bring better results and allow the system to work even better. We are the opposite of that under Gio, there is a total reliance on having better players to get results. Edited October 21, 2022 by DMAA 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tannochsidebear 2,429 Posted October 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2022 Really interesting article and thread, love this type of debate on this board. Personally I am not ready to join the sack him movement just yet. 8 wins out of 10, no defeats domestically outwith them, these are title winning credentials, and all with a broken squad of patched up soldiers and many injuries, plus some who have not managed to reach previous levels, yet. Unbeaten in domestic cups also, something SG couldnt manage. Yes the football is not much to watch, but give me a dire winning team over an entertaining defeat every time. Gio has also shown he can learn from mistakes, ditching the bottle-merchant keeper and the zonal defence from his early season mission. I give him some credit for that. My biggest issue is who brings in the players? Is Gio the only Dutch manager in history to have 2 windows and not bring in any Dutch players or players from a previous club/league? I find that very strange. If Wilson is doing all the player trading and Gio is just there to coach, then it is surely more important to get rid of Wilson before January than Gio? 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CammyF 8,408 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Tannochsidebear said: My biggest issue is who brings in the players? Is Gio the only Dutch manager in history to have 2 windows and not bring in any Dutch players or players from a previous club/league? I find that very strange. If Wilson is doing all the player trading and Gio is just there to coach, then it is surely more important to get rid of Wilson before January than Gio? Valid point, but like the argument for removing Gio, will the board sack Wilson given he has raked in (reported) record fees for Paterson and Bassey plus a circa £10M potential profit on Aribo? The board sanction the transfer budget available for Wilson and / of Gio. They have to work under the restrictions of shopping in the bargain basement where "diamonds" are hard to find. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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