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[craig 5,199]

18 minutes ago, compo said:

It's a business not a social club 

Absolutely 100% this  !!!  This was exactly the argument I had to make whilst Treasurer of a club here.  They are a "community club" so have roots in helping the community - the members were constantly looking for freebies or discounts or "how can the club help me"....  It took me a while but eventually I got them to understand that you need to be a "business first, community club second".  Without running it like a business and generating revenue, you can't be a community club and help your community financially

[craig 5,199]

18 minutes ago, Bill said:

On the money! I actually feared it might be nearer £200 but what do we expect .... the club is striving to achieve as much as it can and that has to include maximising income opportunities.

 

It's not as it the club is asking something for nothing, CL football is what we all wanted and every one of us puts considerable value on it ... so does the club and rightly so. But in these difficult times, anyone who feels the price is unacceptable should exercise buyer's rights and decline to purchase. I've every confidence all the tickets will sell.

They can't charge 200 mate - UEFA have a hard price cap of 60 quid per game, they won't let you charge more apparently.

[craig 5,199]

13 minutes ago, buster. said:

I get the logic behind what you say but it comes down to business/clients....or.....sport/supporters ?

 

Or perhaps, somewhere between the two with the occasional rewarding of loyalty.....rather than effectively taxing it (mygers).

Rangers is a business.  It really is that simple.  And businesses will survive or die on supply and demand.  The demand for tickets will be sufficiently high that they will sell out for each of the CL games.  I have people already asking me if they can use my ST's for the game - so I am already reaching out to contacts to find additional tickets - I reckon that without any effort on my part I could get rid of 10 tickets for people for each game.

 

You can also have business/supporters.

 

We continually want to compete with Celtic and whilst finance isnt the be all and end all in that regard, the more you have the better chance you have of being able to compete.  It is painful for fans, I get that.  But at the same time if all tickets are sold at those prices then it is more money into the club and, at least these days, the club is run by people with the clubs best interests at heart - so we should see the money spent the right way - not necessarily on the right players as nobody gets that right all the time, but with the best intentions of moving the club forward.

 

If I am being honest.... I am slightly surprised they didnt just go for 180 across the board - they would have sold out even at 180 across the board

[Blue Moon 1,300]

CCS total money coming out of bank accounts this Thursday.  For once I am glad to be a concession.

[Gonzo79 15,294]

11 minutes ago, craig said:

They can't charge 200 mate - UEFA have a hard price cap of 60 quid per game, they won't let you charge more apparently.

First time I've ever felt grateful towards UEFA.  🤣

[buster. 5,208]

4 minutes ago, craig said:

Rangers is a business.  It really is that simple.  And businesses will survive or die on supply and demand.  The demand for tickets will be sufficiently high that they will sell out for each of the CL games.  I have people already asking me if they can use my ST's for the game - so I am already reaching out to contacts to find additional tickets - I reckon that without any effort on my part I could get rid of 10 tickets for people for each game.

 

You can also have business/supporters.

 

We continually want to compete with Celtic and whilst finance isnt the be all and end all in that regard, the more you have the better chance you have of being able to compete.  It is painful for fans, I get that.  But at the same time if all tickets are sold at those prices then it is more money into the club and, at least these days, the club is run by people with the clubs best interests at heart - so we should see the money spent the right way - not necessarily on the right players as nobody gets that right all the time, but with the best intentions of moving the club forward.

 

If I am being honest.... I am slightly surprised they didnt just go for 180 across the board - they would have sold out even at 180 across the board

I get the CL prices (see my first post on this thread) but the general thing of how supporters are treated has to be looked at holistically.

 

In recent times, it appears that there is a lot of take and little in the way of rewarding something that is constantly praised.

 

Mygers is a case in point.

Effectively Taxing loyalty.

 

I don't think the support expect hand-outs, even a pre season friendly free for ST holders would be gratefully received.

 

Now that we have our finances in better order, the club may consider this or similar for 2023.

 

 

[Bluedell 5,627]

1 hour ago, craig said:

Tinfoil hat time......

 

I don't blame the club for pricing it as they have.  Yes, our fanbase are loyal and I would be very surprised to see the full allocation not being taken up which means the club have got it "right" - the club still need to maximise income and if the full allocation gets taken up at what are the maximum prices authorised by UEFA then they have done the right thing in terms of revenue maximisation.

 

It is easy for me to say as I am fortunate enough to have the means to be able to pay it, so I absolutely understand people's frustrations.  However, the "journey" has cost fans a fair bit of money but it has cost Park and the Board a significant sum too.  We can't surely on the one hand be asking for the club to get us to self-sustainability and then bemoaning when they maximise a legitimate revenue stream ?

 

I disagree with the "for all the money raised in the last 12 months" argument - are we to just rest on our laurels as a club and say "wow, we made a nice chunk from Patterson and Bassey, lets just give discounted CL prices as a thank you".  Like it or not, it is a business.  Maximising revenue is what they SHOULD be doing.  And if the full allocation is taken up then they have done the right thing for the club.

 

On a much smaller scale I was the Treasurer of a club here in Bermuda and it seemed that as a club we constantly would just give stuff away "to be nice" - free this and free that.... and the club ended up broke, with bills to pay and I had to completely restructure how we did things.  Much smaller scale but the reality is that if you don't maximise your income then you are missing an opportunity.

 

Always happy to agree to disagree - but IMHO the Club have done the right thing..... IF they maximise the allocation

Maximising revenue in the short term is not always the correct approach. Yes, the games may sell out this time, but other games in the future may not because the "business" has pissed off its customers and there may be further repercussions down the line because the support is pissed off, or it may have an impact on the atmosphere etc.

 

I remember going to CL group stage matches where we had crowds of 33,000 (against Dortmund) and 30,000. People had had enough and voted with their feet.

[craig 5,199]

12 minutes ago, Bluedell said:

Maximising revenue in the short term is not always the correct approach. Yes, the games may sell out this time, but other games in the future may not because the "business" has pissed off its customers and there may be further repercussions down the line because the support is pissed off, or it may have an impact on the atmosphere etc.

 

I remember going to CL group stage matches where we had crowds of 33,000 (against Dortmund) and 30,000. People had had enough and voted with their feet.

They have a waiting list for ST's do they not ?  I suspect they see the demand and are operating on the premise that those in waiting will pay if those pissed off give up their ST's.  They will 100% know that they are pissing some fans off - but they also will be banking on us having fairly short term memories, which we largely do

 

I am maybe wrong but I believe that Rangers of today is markedly different to the CL crowds of 30,000 - we went through such turmoil after 2012 that our loyalty is even greater than it was back then.  For many, they recognise there was a period in 2012 that they may not get to see the club play ever again.  Of course, I could be wrong, but I can't see crowds that low at CL games, at least not in the short to medium term.  And when we were getting those crowds were we not fairly regular in the CL, whereas now it is seen as a surprise ?

 

They know it is a calculated risk charging significantly more than Celtic - and the uptake of tickets will determine, at least short term, if it was a wise one - I suspect it will be sold out and they will say it was priced right.  Longer term, who knows ?

[the gunslinger 3,366]

they will sell out this time almost certainly given it's been so long. No question the club are pushing their luck though. 

[Bill 13,717]

1 hour ago, craig said:

They can't charge 200 mate - UEFA have a hard price cap of 60 quid per game, they won't let you charge more apparently.

Thanks Craig, I didn't know that.