Sutton_blows_goats 5,345 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, MacK1950 said: They took part in Eurovision Song Contest didn't they so a sporting contest is no different. They won the song contest via a massive sympathy vote IMO. I feel the same about that as i do about this. There is something inherently wrong about some people having to fight for thier lives while others live it up at singing contests and football matches. It doesn't sit right with me. I don't have a perfect case scenario or an answer to this but it isn't right. Edited May 31, 2022 by Sutton_blows_goats 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said: They wouldn't have to. They'd just go down the Evil West punishing Russia by helping out Nazi Ukraine route. whole stadiums supporting Ukraine will definitely help no matter what Russia say. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sutton_blows_goats said: I feel the same about that as i do about this. There is something inherently wrong about some people having to fight for thier lives while others live it up at singing contests and football matches. It doesn't sit right with me. I don't have a perfect case scenario or an answer to this but it isn't right. Morale is beyond vital in any conflict. Bluebells over the white cliffs of dover Etc Etc. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 15,294 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, the gunslinger said: whole stadiums supporting Ukraine will definitely help no matter what Russia say. You only need to look at issues like Brexit and Scottish independence to know that once views become entrenched, nothing will budge them. When I see Catalonian, Welsh or Corsican separatists supporting Scottish independence, it doesn't make me think, 'Oh, I was wrong all along'. I think you're underestimating Russian patriotism. Edited May 31, 2022 by Gonzo79 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said: You only need to look at issues like Brexit and Scottish independence to know that once views become entrenched, nothing will budge them. When I see Catalonian, Welsh or Corsican separatists supporting Scottish independence, it doesn't make me think, 'Oh, I was wrong all along'. I think you're underestimating Russian patriotism. This is a war not some separatist nonsense. What you say isn't even true. The polls prove that. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger_syntax 4,330 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said: ... I think you're underestimating Russian patriotism. Undoubtedly a very powerful force. It has already managed to endure the absence of Disney theatrical releases for about two months. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger_syntax 4,330 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 This thread is going to be shut down or moved. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 15,294 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 19 minutes ago, the gunslinger said: This is a war not some separatist nonsense. Ah okay, so when it's war views are less likely to be entrenched. 19 minutes ago, the gunslinger said: What you say isn't even true. The polls prove that. Which polls? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 45 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said: Ah okay, so when it's war views are less likely to be entrenched. Which polls? any of the shifting ones on your subjects of choice. sure some people get entrenched but plenty float. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 15,294 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 What a vague response. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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