the gunslinger 3,366 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, forlanssister said: Kings interest is getting his money back period if that too is yours then don't bemoan the lack of investment that will result in fulfilling your and King's desire. You know what i meant. King is making trouble over the Australia love in for his reasons. I have mine for not wanting it. Park still has a chance to win this war but he is losing right now. As i said a while back I can handle the need for cash at every opportunity but not while they take the piss and treat us like dirt. I agree on Bisgrove. We need to be pulling out of this and telling folk it's because we can't be associated with a club like celtc. They should be untouchable from a commercial perspective and we should be leading that charge. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 (edited) A few weeks ago I posted wholehearted praise for James Bisgrove and the work he was doing. But, please, don't insult each other's intelligence with posts trying to portray him as some kind of innocent functionary, a mere bystander in this debacle. Bisgrove is a director and, as such, is fully responsible for his own actions. It's clear to me that this friendly in Sydney was the work of Bisgrove, in pursuit of his agreed objectives, and that we are where we are because he failed to inform himself of the reaction of the support and has now dug his heels in so deeply that it's him or the game. It doesn't matter what others in the organisation should or could have done. Even in this age of self-serving snakery, this is the nature of accountability and the price of seniority. This is clearly Bisgrove's responsibility and his mess either to sort out of accept the consequences for. One thing is for sure, we are going to see what this particular director is made of. Edited March 29, 2022 by Bill 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERRAB 3,757 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 1 hour ago, forlanssister said: I'm more annoyed at Castore than I am at the Australian debacle. As uncomfortable as it is for some to admit Bisgrove is good at his job, very, very good to deny that is churlish in the extreme. You want to sign top players, keep our best players, improve the facilities etc then Bisgrove (or another of his ilk) is fundamental to that. How can he be good at his job when signing lousy commercial deals? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forlanssister 3,114 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, RANGERRAB said: How can he be good at his job when signing lousy commercial deals? Define lousy. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaspard 562 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, RANGERRAB said: How can he be good at his job when signing lousy commercial deals? Assume you don't mean the Sydney cup? As that sounds like a good commercial deal (ethical issues aside) If so, what deals do you refer to? Genuine question, cheers 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo 7,223 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Buy agreeing to this needless match says to me the old firm is alive and well as long as there is money at the day's end . All scruples have gone out the window by teaming up needlessly with a club that wanted to see us out of football. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 33 minutes ago, forlanssister said: Define lousy. would we agree getting less than celtc for this trip would be lousy if true? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 33 minutes ago, gaspard said: Assume you don't mean the Sydney cup? As that sounds like a good commercial deal (ethical issues aside) If so, what deals do you refer to? Genuine question, cheers not if celtc are getting more and the club have done nothing to defend that report. Maybe we aren't and then you are right. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forlanssister 3,114 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 58 minutes ago, Bill said: A few weeks ago I posted wholehearted praise for James Bisgrove and the work he was doing. But, please, don't insult each other's intelligence with posts trying to portray him as some kind of innocent functionary, a mere bystander in this debacle. Bisgrove is a director and, as such, is fully responsible for his own actions. It's clear to me that this friendly in Sydney was the work of Bisgrove, in pursuit of his agreed objectives, and that we are where we are because he failed to inform himself of the reaction of the support and has now dug his heels in so deeply that it's him or the game. It doesn't matter what others in the organisation should or could have done. Even in this age of self-serving snakery, this is the nature of accountability and the price of seniority. This is clearly Bisgrove's responsibility and his mess either to sort out of accept the consequences for. One thing is for sure, we are going to see what this particular director is made of. To blame Bisgrove for this is akin to blaming Derek MacKay for the non ferries when neither has the remit to do what they're being blamed for. We are where we are not because as you claim Bisgrove failed to inform himself but because others who should know better failed to inform him. To absolve everyone bar Bisgrove of their responsibilities in this is frankly bizarre. Where was the leadership from the top in this? Where is what masquerades as the PR Department? Perhaps one day the powers that be will realise the utter folly of the perpetual penny pinching in this field, but I suppose as long as Graham's shouting "No Surrender" every now and again it'll appease enough. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forlanssister 3,114 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, the gunslinger said: would we agree getting less than celtc for this trip would be lousy if true? Big if though eh? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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