alexscottislegend 2,330 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bill said: That's quite a deflection, even for you. What you're actually saying (explicitly) is that rich people getting a ticket is a "motivation" for violence and criminal behaviour. But of course you're in no way excusing it. Not much. Just try getting inside the minds of those dispossessed for a minute. I'm not excusing the violence - just trying to explain it. Surely even you can see there's a difference? No doubt you would have thought Marie Antoinette was 'entitled'? ? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7 6,018 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 31 minutes ago, Bill said: That's an appalling post but so very predictable. Not appalling. The likes of Moss, Cruise and Johnson should be nowhere near a cup final. Doesn’t excuse the yobs, though. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7 6,018 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 minute ago, alexscottislegend said: Just try getting inside the minds of those dispossessed for a minute. They didn’t look dispossessed of food and drink, though and many were attired in football shirts that aren’t inexpensive. I wonder how many had smart ‘phones. How much does it cost to get tattoos? They were just selfish yobs. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, alexscottislegend said: Just try getting inside the minds of those dispossessed for a minute. I'm not excusing the violence - just trying to explain it. Surely even you can see there's a difference? No doubt you would have thought Marie Antoinette was 'entitled'? ? Presumably to be dispossessed you'd first have had to have a ticket .... before Kate Moss came along and took it from you. I think what you're actually talking about is simple envy. He has a ticket. I don't have a ticket. I want a ticket. I resent him and I'm going to attack someone. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Scott7 said: Not appalling. The likes of Moss, Cruise and Johnson should be nowhere near a cup final. Doesn’t excuse the yobs, though. Why not? Who sets the rules and applies the moral code - you? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 15,294 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bill said: Who sets the rules and applies the moral code - you? I would get behind that. Scott7 for Prime Minister. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexscottislegend 2,330 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, Scott7 said: They didn’t look dispossessed of food and drink, though and many were attired in football shirts that aren’t inexpensive. I wonder how many had smart ‘phones. How much does it cost to get tattoos? They were just selfish yobs. Yeah, I know. God, I absolutely hate tattoos. I was being a bit facetious. 'Fraid those yobs are not exclusive to England though. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexscottislegend 2,330 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, Bill said: Why not? Who sets the rules and applies the moral code - you? You really hate the sans culottes don't you? Let entitlement be the prerogative of the Kates Moss and Cambridge, T. Cruise and their mates. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexscottislegend 2,330 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 14 minutes ago, Bill said: Presumably to be dispossessed you'd first have had to have a ticket .... before Kate Moss came along and took it from you. I think what you're actually talking about is simple envy. He has a ticket. I don't have a ticket. I want a ticket. I resent him and I'm going to attack someone. Envy is one of the seven deadly sins, sure. But so are sloth and gluttony. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmck 117 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) Realise this isn't going to be popular, But I just don't care about the bit of rioting. I'm basically Victorian in my public dealings, and believe civilisation and civilised behaviour is that to which we should aspire. However, this is what we've chosen collectively as a society - you got your tooth punched out? Free denture or whatever. You got your leg stomped? Free treatment. No need to think before or after those decisions, state's got it for you. Somewhere along the lines we became a fundamentally nihilistic society, where there were almost no societal - i.e. not headlines that will affect you, but actual shame from peers - for bad behaviour. It's where we've chosen to go. There's also a slight beauty in anarchy, and it reminds our masters that in the right situation we can't be contained. It's a shame it's over something as petty as a lost football game, but there you go. Capitalism already has the answer for any private property broken - the insurance industry - and it's not lke the state care about throwing money at things. The police get to do what they instinctively want to do most, have a chance to exert their power and give a few beatings. Everyone's a winner. It's what happens when you have a capitalistic ethic replacing a capitalist economy, with no over-arching narrative (say Christianity, but pick whatever) to bind us together, and underwrite the losses with socialist policies that killed two parent households and made people be weak to get money. Yobs, shouldn't have happened. Inevitable it did. We move on. Edited July 12, 2021 by bmck 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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