der Berliner 3,744 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) Aside from other things, one idea might be "fan-stewards", i.e. dedicated supporters of the club who act as front-line stewards and people to talk to and talk to fellow, out of order supporters ... before the normal stewards or police step in. These people could spot and target those stepping out of line or doing things that may harm the club, be it FTPing or BillyBoying. It works quite well over here, e.g. in icehockey, where these fan people know each other quite well, know who in their block may cause trouble, talk to him and have a beer with him afterwards or guide him outside immediately. The whole "ultra" / "hardcore fan" stand is primarily watched over by such "fan stewards" ... ... and they travel with that lot near and far. It takes some time to get going and you will sure have some folk who will do silly things nonetheless, but those can be - over time - weeded out and barred from e.g. less "policed" away games. Edited June 2, 2021 by der Berliner 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7 6,008 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Wouldn’t fancy trying that with some of the bamsticks at matches, dB. Maybe it’s different with disciplined Germans. Over here you would want to make sure your dental insurance was adequate. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmck 117 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) I love the tenor of this article and how well written it is. Its writer knows exactly what is happening. And they are both tactically and strategically spot on. However, it has already conceeded defeat. Why was there so much backlash? Apart from the whole 'look at the bad Brittish on top again", it's because they were scared. After weilding so much power for so long, they found that when it came down to it, to quote JM, "They have the guns, but we have the numbers". It is right a government fears its people. It keeps them in check. Its what the 2nd ammendment in America was intended to ensure. One thing is fore sure, when the squnity bridge started bouncing such that the army couldn't have stopped it without lethal force, they reaised they were up against a force greater than them. There was nothing they could realistically do about it. And as for those the caused trouble? It's quite hard to care over much. The idea (legally) that Rangers could be vicariously liable is so funny, or that Rangers could be liable in any situation which prevails across the entirety of the UK. It's not our job to regulate our own, let people who want to be loved do that - unless it can be done person to person with a quiet reasonable word - we are individuals. We're all accountable for everyone else in a purely mystical sense. You can't placate that which can't be placated - I don't know if you know how deeply routed critical theory is in universities, nothing will satisfy them. I'm happy - but not not sad - there wasn't more trouble, to remind them the majority still has a voice and can mobilise. Edited June 12, 2021 by bmck 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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