Diversity and Inclusion Charter

[Gonzo79 15,299]

The UK lockdown occurred two days after the German lockdown.

 

Although I'm not quite sure what this has to do with whether Dave can use the women's bogs in the Broomloan Stand.

Edited July 16, 2020 by Gonzo79

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[stewarty 2,123]

  On 16/07/2020 at 12:31, stewarty said:

Who is playing the man rather than the ball?  You and that the Guido article. 

 

The ball in this case, would be to examine what independent SAGE are saying, compare it to the actual SAGE advice and subsequent government decisions.  It would also be to examine why they were set up, what their aims and objectives are, and to examine what they are actually saying rather than what you assume they are saying.

Regardless of any political views they may hold, they felt the need to set up such a panel and to do the work they are doing because they had significant concerns about the approach this government has taken and the way that the work of SAGE was and continues to be scandalised and politicised.  Some of the concens that led to were based on the lack of transparency of the group's work given how significant it is to the actions the government has taken.

 

It also took a number of weeks and a lot of media pressure to get SAGE to publish its minutes and guidance,.  Many of SAGE's members did not want to be known publicly for fear of public backlash.   The government itself has been given advice on a number of occasions which it did not act upon for a number of weeks.  An example is the use of face masks/ coverings in public spaces such as shops - something that was recommended weeks and weeks ago, but has only now been adopted by the UK government.   How many lives did that cost in terms of the number of the potential for increasing the spread of the disease?

 

No matter what way you look at it, any group of scientists that are prepared to put their heads above the parapet, transparently publish their findings and recommendations to enable other people to review and scrutinise their work, must surely be a good thing, no?  Or is it simply that anyone who doesn't agree with the government's approach should fuck off and get over it?  

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An example of Independent SAGE's work.  They've written to the CMO on this, asking for the government to change its approach.

 

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Independent SAGE believes that the UK government must fundamentally change its approach and we propose a new overarching strategic objective of achieving a Zero COVID UK, i.e. the elimination of the virus from the UK. We believe this should be informed by science and debated in public, and a proper coordinated strategy for its achievement developed with the public.

KEY POINTS

●  The prospect of many thousands of further deaths from COVID-19 over the next nine months is unacceptable

●  The UK government must propose and share with the public a strategic plan on how the pandemic is going to be managed in the next 12 months and of how the various measures against the pandemic fit together in an integrated plan.

●  Independent SAGE believes that this strategy should have as its prime objective the achievement of a Zero COVID Britain and Ireland

●  It will require the government in Whitehall to replace their failing NHS Test and Trace System with a fully-fledged and locally controlled system of Find, Test, Trace, Isolate, Support (FTTIS)

●  The Republic of Ireland, Scotland and Northern Ireland already have very few deaths and very small numbers of new positive cases. They have the virus under control and are well placed to achieve elimination of the virus

●  England and Wales will need to make the necessary efforts as soon as possible to achieve the same position

●  Achieving elimination would allow all social distancing measures to be lifted, schools to be fully open, the hospitality and entertainment industries to reopen fully, revitalisation of the economy and a sense of much needed normality for the population.

https://www.independentsage.org/independent-sage-on-achieving-a-zero-covid-uk-i-e-the-elimination-of-the-virus-from-the-uk/

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Aside from disagreeing with the government's approach, I don't see any partisan nature of this work on first reading.   Can anyone who disagrees with what Independent SAGE are recommending outline why, and what they would do differently?

 

@forlanssister

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[MacK1950 2,455]

Perhaps thought might be given to closing this thread as it seems to have too many diverse paths and let us get back to grips with talking about the team again?.

[Gribz 1,234]

Amen gaffer. Outstanding. Every word is spot on.

 

Just a shame too many cant snap out of it. Yet they know what time they want there pie and peas at night.

 

Craig - it took you how many years to realise 9/11 was a psy op...are you falling into the same with this? Email me bud - i want to catch up with you. Unfortunately Mr Frankie (who) has diasbled my PM. I mean what a low blow.

 

 

 

[Gonzo79 15,299]

  On 17/07/2020 at 19:09, MacK1950 said:

it seems to have too many diverse paths

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Are these diverse paths inclusive though?  That's the question.

 

Diversification is only worthwhile when its inclusivity meets the required standard.  

[Bluedell 6,069]

  On 18/07/2020 at 05:28, Gribz said:

Amen gaffer. Outstanding. Every word is spot on.

 

Just a shame too many cant snap out of it. Yet they know what time they want there pie and peas at night.

 

Craig - it took you how many years to realise 9/11 was a psy op...are you falling into the same with this? Email me bud - i want to catch up with you. Unfortunately Mr Frankie (who) has diasbled my PM. I mean what a low blow.

 

 

 

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So Covid-19 isn't a virus and people aren't dying from it as it's a hoax?

[Bill 13,717]

  On 18/07/2020 at 06:05, Bluedell said:

So Covid-19 isn't a virus and people aren't dying from it as it's a hoax?

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Nothing confirms self-righteousness like adopting a conspiracy theory. The psychology of it is fascinating, there’s virtually nothing we can’t convince ourselves to believe.

 

[JohnMc 3,174]

To get things slightly back on topic I notice the management and players of both sides 'took a knee' prior to both the Lyon and Nice matches. As far as I can tell cultural Marxism hasn't managed a full coup on Edmiston Drive quite yet, but no doubt it's only a matter of time now. The defunding of the police on the other hand is well underway. Funding is down over 16% in the last decade. Those arch-Marxists David Cameron, Teresa May and Boris Johnston need watched I tell you, soon you won't even be able to say you're English anymore. 

 

For what it's worth, as is their democratic right, quite a number of people on social media, who certainly seem to be Rangers supporters at first glance, posted their disagreement with the club's official Twitter and Instagram accounts posting pictures and accompanying hashtag. It's worth noting though that the post on Instagram attracted 29,860 'Likes' and on Twitter over 7,500, the highest of any posts from the club during the tournament, including goals and interviews with players. 

 

Maurice Edu, our former player and an African American, felt moved to comment on the club's original post and then replied to some of those criticising the club or taking issue with the 'black lives matter' message. Conor Goldson has also felt the need to address some of the posts and comments left by supporters on this subject from his personal account. Both are worth reading. 

 

As I said earlier in this thread if this is important to a number of our players I've no problem with our club supporting it. It doesn't threaten my identity or my understanding on how a democratic society should function. 

 

Being serious for a moment I was saddened to read Forlan's Sisters post about his recent health. Sepsis is a horrible and very dangerous condition and I hope you are feeling better now and receiving the correct treatment. Clearly Gaffer and FS have experienced challenges during the last few months and I know they aren't alone. I hope we are all able to enjoy better times very soon.