Diversity and Inclusion Charter

[Thinker 887]

6 minutes ago, alexscottislegend said:

Presume he means this:

 

https://www.blacklivesmatter.uk/

 

 

 

Or, as I posted in another thread, maybe this:

https://blacklivesmatteruk.com/about/

[Charloch 52]

13 minutes ago, alexscottislegend said:

Honestly I think you are very confused and over-reacting: to say that the club is immersed in neo-marxist axioms is near-hysteric: it is just about doing what is right. Rangers fans and other may have thought they were fighting against fascism but there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the British ruling class were not anti-Hitler and Mussolini per se. Indeed, Lord Halifax only turned against Hitler when he realised that his landed estates would be under threat. Marxism and fascism are emphatically not two sides of the same coin; Lenin's idea of the dictatorship of the proletariat is but the prelude to complete freedom for all, free from ruling elites. Fascism has no such ideal other than the rule of the elite. As for free speech I think you'll find it very much continues thanks to social media, some of which is quite sickening.   

Diversity and inclusion are Marxist categories. Rangers have a Diversity and Inclusion Charter. The thing is as plain as the noses on our faces. Rangers are advancing a Marxist agenda, like all useful idiots in history, without a clue that they are doing so. Every Communist revolution has been fomented by an academic/social elite and then that elite has ruled with an iron fist over the population. The primary difference between Marxism and Fascism is that one is internationalist in its spirit and the other is national. In terms of their modi operandi they are almost exactly the same.

[alexscottislegend 2,320]

1 minute ago, Charloch said:

Diversity and inclusion are Marxist categories. Rangers have a Diversity and Inclusion Charter. The thing is as plain as the noses on our faces. Rangers are advancing a Marxist agenda, like all useful idiots in history, without a clue that they are doing so. Every Communist revolution has been fomented by an academic/social elite and then that elite has ruled with an iron fist over the population. The primary difference between Marxism and Fascism is that one is internationalist in its spirit and the other is national. In terms of their modi operandi they are almost exactly the same.

Jings! What do you want them to say? That black lives do not matter? So much misinformation on here that I know not where to begin:

 

Every Communist revolution has been fomented by an academic/social elite and then that elite has ruled with an iron fist over the population.

 

The Paris Commune? It was ordinary working people. The 1917 Bolshevik Revolution (bolshevik means majority)? Read 'Animal Farm' and 'Revolution Betrayed' (the clue is in the title) by L. Trotsky. When you have a revolution you first have to protect and defend it, otherwise you get a counter-revolution.

"Rangers advancing a Marxist agenda" - oh my, if only!

[Thinker 887]

8 minutes ago, Charloch said:

Diversity and inclusion are Marxist categories.

I'm pretty sure you can be okay with diversity and inclusivity without being a Marxist...

[alexscottislegend 2,320]

1 minute ago, Thinker said:

I'm pretty sure you can be okay with diversity and inclusivity without being a Marxist...

I wonder if Charloch was present at the Mo Johnston signing. He probably would have said, " We're inclusive but not THAT inclusive"!

[Bluedell 5,624]

3 hours ago, JohnMc said:

I don't think you can equate Rangers with Formula 1. FIFA equate to Formula 1, Rangers are a car in it. 

F1 appear to have made a conscious decision no o use the BLM phrase. Surely Rangers can do that without FIFA? Likewise the F1 drivers were mature enough to make a decision to support anti-racism without taking the knee. I'm sure players could do that too, although I feel that they're being pressured into it.

 

3 hours ago, JohnMc said:

Conor Goldson has told you what the phrase means to him and why he's using it. If that's still not good enough explanation for you I don't know what else to say. 

I can accept that, but both you and him seem unable to accept that it means something different to others. Just because he is willing to overlook certain aspects of BLM doesn't mean that everyone has to.

 

However, we're both repeating ourselves, so I'll (try and) leave it there.

[ranger_syntax 4,321]

1 hour ago, alexscottislegend said:

Presume he means this:

 

https://www.blacklivesmatter.uk/

 

1 hour ago, Thinker said:

Or, as I posted in another thread, maybe this:

https://blacklivesmatteruk.com/about/

Best if O.P. tells us exactly what he is referring to.

[Gonzo79 15,293]

Although the comments you have posted are disagreeable, I'm not seeing any racist abuse.

[CammyF 8,090]

14 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said:

Although the comments you have posted are disagreeable, I'm not seeing any racist abuse.

This isn't racist?

 

"Notice that it’s the mixed race who are the most vociferous in this? Strange as they are neither black nor white..." 

 

If these aren't racist enough for you, then go have a look on Twitter (I refuse as it's a cesspit but have been made aware of  some comments).

[JohnMc 2,750]

1 minute ago, Bluedell said:

F1 appear to have made a conscious decision no o use the BLM phrase. Surely Rangers can do that without FIFA? Likewise the F1 drivers were mature enough to make a decision to support anti-racism without taking the knee. I'm sure players could do that too, although I feel that they're being pressured into it.

 

I can accept that, but both you and him seem unable to accept that it means something different to others. Just because he is willing to overlook certain aspects of BLM doesn't mean that everyone has to.

With respect BD neither you nor I are black (you're not, are you? I'm going to look pretty stupid if you are) so we're not affected in anyway by this. Let's be honest, there's no chance at all of Marxism making any kind of political inroads here, (and it's laughable to suggest it could happen in America) and by supporting the club and the players I don't think anyone is going to mistake either of us for Leninist agitators. This whole Marxism thing is bewildering, we're not living in a 1960s Le Carre novel, our way of life is not threatened by Conor Goldson protesting. The Israel/Palestine thing is nonsense too. Over 70 years of superpower intervention, terrorism, war, mediation and global attention hasn't been able to resolve that part of the world, you and me accepting James Tavernier kneeling before kick-off in a friendly isn't going to bring down the Likud Party or harden the resolve of Hezbollah. But Conor Goldson is a young black man. I don't know what he's experienced in his life due to the colour of his skin, perhaps nothing, only he knows. But as a white man I feel really uncomfortable telling him his choice of protest; one that's peaceful and largely symbolic, isn't appropriate. He's not looting or rioting, he's not closing down streets or marching. He's simply using his profile and platform to maybe make people like you and I, white men who've not had to give this much thought before (well I've not, apologies if you have been involved in this in the past or present) pause to consider whether our society provides the same opportunities to everyone regardless of their ethnicity. 

 

I'm not unable to accept it means something else to others, I'm simply challenging why that is. I don't understand why it's provoking so much debate, it's largely symbolic, and I know symbolism is important, but it's unlikely to lead to wholesale change (and it's not going to lead to Marxism, I'm positive about that). 

 

I wear a poppy every year. Both my grandfathers and my father served in the forces, I was brought up with it. I learned about the horrors of WW1 at school, attended the Armistice Day service at our local war memorial with the BB every year. It's something I grew up with, culturally it's important to me. I suspect a number of people on here had a similar upbringing. When I moved to Belfast I continued to wear a poppy around that time of year. For me it was a way of honouring ordinary and extraordinary people who'd made a sacrifice I'm not sure I'd be willing to make. But for the first time I met people who'd a very different view of the poppy. Who saw it as a symbol of the British military and they'd a very dim view of the British military. So I considered it but decided to keep wearing it. I'm happy to explain to anyone concerned that I don't wear it because I supported the invasion of Iraq (I didn't), or Afghanistan, or to make some kind of political point or prove how patriotic I am (I'm not patriotic in the slightest). I wear it to remember the millions of people who died either through government misadventure, idiotic orders or trying to achieve something truly noble and necessary that has made the world a safer and better place. I'm not honouring governments or politicians, far from it. That's what it means to me, thats why I wear it. 

 

I'm confident Conor Goldson doesn't want to bring down the government in this country or in the middle east, he bends his knee and raises his arm so you and me will see him and think. That's all.