Diversity and Inclusion Charter

[Scott7 6,881]

  On 20/07/2020 at 11:28, alexscottislegend said:

Interesting question; not sure if you can compare it to mathematics. But my point is really that it is a way of looking and analysing the world and really needs a lifetime of study.

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Perhaps mis-applied marxism.

[alexscottislegend 2,766]

  On 20/07/2020 at 11:07, compo said:

No way I can prove this but if we could fast forward a hundred years from now I suspect the same issues will still be around  .

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If you want an analogy just think how public attitudes to homosexuality have changed. Most people now just don't get agitated by it yet in my young days you could hardly discuss it.

[alexscottislegend 2,766]

  On 20/07/2020 at 11:29, Scott7 said:

Perhaps mis-applied marxism.

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Oh, absolutely. 

[ranger_syntax 4,880]

  On 20/07/2020 at 11:30, alexscottislegend said:

If you want an analogy just think how public attitudes to homosexuality have changed. Most people now just don't get agitated by it yet in my young days you could hardly discuss it.

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I'm not sure how much progress has been made on that front.

 

Only a few months ago I noticed one forum user making awful homophobic remarks.

 

What do you think?

[Charloch 52]

  On 20/07/2020 at 11:03, Frankie said:

See, IMO, you're taking this too far.

 

Our black players (and our white ones it seems), along with the manager and many, many fans want our black people treated equally.  Not to the detriment of anyone else or as some sort of silver bullet in terms of the perfect society, just a realisation that racism exists and we should all play our part to remove it.

 

It's not a perfect analogy but let's take the poppy. I love seeing our club wear that symbol every year. But I don't see it as solely remembrance of our war dead but of everyone killed or affected by such, i.e it should be seen as a symbol of peace for the future, not just remembering what happened historically. 

 

The same goes for our actions of the weekend. As Goldson explained it, it was about equality for everyone - not cherry picking some Marxist ideology but just a better, more educated outlook where people aren't singled out for maltreatment because of their colour or creed.

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There are plenty other very serviceable anti-racist campaigns in football that the club could promote. By adopting the insignia of a Marxist organisation you are furthering their ends. Gramsci called for a long march through the institutions in order to achieve hegemony in the culture. Sadly, Rangers are now part of the process. I am not taking it too far at all. Indeed, given the urgency of the hour and the extent to which this ideology already dominates Scottish public discourse, I am not taking it far enough. Black Lives Matter (that black lives matter I will defend to the uttermost) is a trojan horse. We have now legitimised it institutionally as a club. Rangers - the friends of Marxists. How our forefathers would weep. Indeed, the Frankfurt School would happily endorse some of the principles of Anyone Anywhere. Marcuse, the father of the sexual revolution, would be delighted to see his values and principles realised by a football club in Scotland. Principles designed to deconstruct western civilisation, injected into the cultural bloodstream by neo-Marxist theorists. Do some research, look it up. We are being played.

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[alexscottislegend 2,766]

  On 20/07/2020 at 12:19, ranger_syntax said:

I'm not sure how much progress has been made on that front.

 

Only a few months ago I noticed one forum user making awful homophobic remarks.

 

What do you think?

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If I remember aright the poster apologised, only some ungracious people would not accept his apology or his reason for the inappropriate comment.

[Bluedell 6,227]

  On 20/07/2020 at 11:14, CammyF said:

Timely and welcome statement from the club. Supports our player who has been a serial victim of racial abuse in this country and supports our players stance against racism. It is now clear it is a stance against racism and not any political statement or gesture. Also supports and pushed the EA platform. 

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Where was the club's support of Morelos when the reaction of him reporting racism at Celtic Park was Celtic to deny it and issue a statement attacking him? Where was the support on the other occasions when he was racially abused within football grounds? 

 

Are they only going to do it when another football club isn't involved?

[alexscottislegend 2,766]

  On 20/07/2020 at 12:54, Charloch said:

There are plenty other very serviceable anti-racist campaigns in football that the club could promote. By adopting the insignia of a Marxist organisation you are furthering their ends. Gramsci called for a long march through the institutions in order to achieve hegemony in the culture. Sadly, Rangers are now part of the process. I am not taking it too far at all. Indeed, given the urgency of the hour and the extent to which this ideology already dominates Scottish public discourse, I am not taking it far enough. Black Lives Matter (that black lives matter I will defend to the uttermost) is a trojan horse. We have now legitimised it institutionally as a club. Rangers - the friends of Marxists. How our forefathers would weep.

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Marxists will support the BLM despite its inchoate character but I find it interesting that you should have assumed and defined its character when its leadership - or lack of - is still open to question. Then you go on to quote Gramsci who some consider a marxist. What BLM have done is to link racism to capitalist elites, to point out that it is but a tool to maintain control. If you are trying to deny this then you should be more explicit I think. Personally I think the club has done nothing wrong.

[alexscottislegend 2,766]

  On 20/07/2020 at 13:02, Bluedell said:

Where was the club's support of Morelos when the reaction of him reporting racism at Celtic Park was Celtic to deny it and issue a statement attacking him? Where was the support on the other occasions when he was racially abused within football grounds? 

 

Are they only going to do it when another football club isn't involved?

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Think you are being harsh on the club here. Taking the initiative on 'Everyone, Anyone' I think signals the way forward.

[JohnMc 3,237]

I disagree with those who think this is just posturing and won’t make any difference. It might not make any difference to a 45 year old who supports Britain First and thinks Tommy Robinson should be the PM but it might make a 16 year old who perhaps hasn’t really thought about these issues properly give it some consideration. Modern day footballers have a platform, they do have influence. 

 

I went to see Rangers play West Brom at Ibrox in a pre-season friendly, Google tells me it was almost exactly 37 years ago. West Brom had a number of black players and it was the first time I’d seen a black footballer live and I suspect that was the case for many in attendance that day. West Brom’s black players were subjected to boos, jeers and abuse throughout the match. All around me people made jokes about them, shouted to our players to be ‘careful in case they had spears’ that type of thing. The abuse was actually quite good humoured, people thought they were being funny, indeed lots of people were laughing so they were being funny. This wasn’t a naked display of white power, it was an example of what was still socially acceptable in Glasgow at the time. Mocking an opposition player because of the colour of his skin was largely okay in 1983, nobody thought they were really doing anything wrong. I certainly didn’t, I laughed along like everyone else.

 

I know if West Brom were to play us today there wouldn’t be much abuse of their black players, at least not for the colour of their skin. That’s not just a change in our crowd, that’s a societal change, something that’s gradually brought us to this point. Black Lives Matter is the next step along that road. We now have black players, we didn’t then. Some of those players are heroes to our support, they are revered by us, there is no question they are accepted whole-heartedly by our support. When we see them the only colour we see is blue. So when they decide to tell us something we might find uncomfortable or think doesn’t apply to us, perhaps we should pay them the courtesy of listening and trying to understand. I don’t think that’s a big ask. 

 

I’ve never voted for a political party where I agree with everything they stand for or hope to achieve. I look at who I think most closely mirrors my views, or I feel will do the best job. There’s always something I won’t agree with though, sometimes it can be a fairly fundamental thing too. But good is better than perfect. That’s the case with most things in life I’ve found. A level of compromise is required to move forward. I lived in Belfast when the Good Friday Agreement was negotiated and agreed. That was a very hard pill for many, many people to swallow but it brought about a serious reduction in murder and terror that had become a way of life for decades. People are alive today who wouldn’t have been otherwise. Northern Ireland is not perfect, or even fixed, but it’s a hell of a lot better today than it was when I first went there and it is slowly, in its way, making progress. 

 

I really don’t think it’s hard to accept the message that black lives matter and differentiate it from other things that some wrap up in it. I don’t understand how anyone can function if they’re unable to make compromises, particularly for something that doesn’t really have any impact on them or their lives.