Bill 13,717 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Charloch said: In this the language we choose to use matters tremendously. Narratives become established only when those who are seeking to impose them succeed in defining the terms. It is significant that some Rangers fans are already speaking in terms of stopping 10IAR. That is an absolutely fatal mistake. Nothing can be conceded in even the smallest point of language by Rangers fans to this narrative. Let the rest of the world call it what they want, Rangers fans must continue to refer to is as nothing less than a title gifted through corruption and abuse of process. It will not be won, it will be awarded. No quarter can be given in this. The best antidote to narrative is truth. We have the truth on our side. Let them dissemble all they want, the facts will never change. Are you suggesting we create our own private narrative or pretending there is a cat's chance in hell of dictating a wider narrative? Don't you think the other side has shown itself adept at establishing their own narrative, in the sure knowledge that the media will cement it in the wider public before you can spell "gifted". Maybe we can just use language freely in any way we choose, without yet another set of directives about how the speak or think - tu ne pense pas? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charloch 52 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bill said: Are you suggesting we create our own private narrative or pretending there is a cat's chance in hell of dictating a wider narrative? Don't you think the other side has shown itself adept at establishing their own narrative, in the sure knowledge that the media will cement it in the wider public before you can spell "gifted". Maybe we can just use language freely in any way we choose, without yet another set of directives about how the speak or think - tu ne pense pas? It's not about creating a private narrative, it is about reflecting what is true. A title awarded is not a title won. Not to challenge that narrative is to be complicit in the deceit. Whether the language I use establishes a wider narrative is irrelevant to me. What is important is what it true. Buying into and conceding that next season is about stopping 10IAR is to participate in the lie. We can choose to do so or not to do so. I am not prepared to do so. Edited April 21, 2020 by Charloch 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, Charloch said: It's not about creating a private narrative, it is about reflecting what is true. A title awarded is not a title won. Not to challenge that narrative is to be complicit in the deceit. Whether the language I use establishes a wider narrative is irrelevant to me. What is important is what it true. Buying into and conceding that next season is about stopping 10IAR is to participate in the lie. We can choose to do so or not to do so. I am not prepared to do so. Good luck with that 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charloch 52 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 We each have a binary choice, concede the ninth title to Celtic on its present terms or reject its validity. We will either endorse it or refute it through our use of language. Rangers fans talking in terms of stopping 10IAR are already vindicating the malfeasance of the SPFL. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,724 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Charloch said: We each have a binary choice, concede the ninth title to Celtic on its present terms or reject its validity. We will either endorse it or refute it through our use of language. Rangers fans talking in terms of stopping 10IAR are already vindicating the malfeasance of the SPFL. I think you're affording us rather more influence than we have in these matters. Whether we endorse it or refute it will matter not a single iota. It will either be officially recorded for posterity as a league title or it will not. We still have Celtic fans pursuing their narrative that Sevco FC is a new club with zero trophies. How's that going for them? If you think the world is holding its breath to see how we describe the outcome of this season then you're very much mistaken. Everyone already knows how it will be - we will say it was never won fairly and they will say it was. And the world will keep on turning. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,199 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 14 hours ago, Bill said: You've nailed that perfectly. Title number nine will be held up as their greatest ever achievement. Which will just show how much class (sic) as a club they have.... 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barca72 440 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Rangers vs Celtic, Class vs Crass !! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 2 hours ago, craig said: Which will just show how much class (sic) as a club they have.... It’s wasted on them. They don’t care. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uilleam 5,948 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Spin? In any event, the big 'If' remains. Scottish Premiership season set to be called off after Uefa assurances Cancellation of season will not affect European qualification Uefa relaxes rules with growing number of leagues finishing Paul MacInnes Tue 21 Apr 2020 19.07 BSTLast modified on Wed 22 Apr 2020 01.21 BST https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/apr/21/scottish-premiership-season-set-to-be-called-off-after-uefa-assurances The Scottish Premiership is in line to get the green light to bring its season to an end after Uefa indicated that cancelled leagues would be allowed to take part in European competition next season. An extraordinary meeting of Uefa’s executive committee on Thursday will discuss guidelines on how to determine Champions League and Europa League places in the event of a truncated season. Uefa said on Tuesday that these guidelines would apply to “special cases”, with the Scottish top flight, alongside the Belgian and Dutch leagues, believed to be included in that definition. The Netherlands confirmed on Tuesday a three-month extension of the ban on major public events, meaning there will be no Dutch football played before 1 September. Uefa’s stance is a softening in the position of the governing body. In a joint letter with the European Clubs Association and the European Leagues, Uefa told its members on 2 April that “every effort must be made” to complete domestic leagues and that they reserved the right to “assess the entitlement” of abandoned competitions to send clubs into European competitions next season. Although Uefa maintains a “strong recommendation” that competitions should be completed, the threat of suspension from European competition is almost certain to be removed as the complexity of dealing with the coronavirus pandemic continues to grow. Bizarrely Rangers, who are still in the current 2019-20 Europa League, look set to play games in it at the same time as the 2020-21 Scottish season which is hoping to kick off in early August. The Scottish Professional Football League has decided to curtail competition in the country’s lower divisions, after a lengthy and controversial process. The SPFL also has the right to force cancellation on the top flight, but this measure was contentious while European qualification was uncertain. In a statement, Uefa said: “There was a strong recommendation given to finish domestic top division and cup competitions, but some special cases will be heard once guidelines concerning participation to European competitions – in case of a cancelled league – have been developed.” Thursday’s ExCo meeting is also expected to confirm that the Women’s European Championship, originally due to take place in England next year, will be played from 6-31 July 2022. The competition was postponed to make way for the rescheduled men’s tournament, Euro 2020, and the new dates mean some of it will overlap with the Commonwealth Games in Birmingham. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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