pete 2,499 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, D'Artagnan said: Im not sure I can agree with that Pete - the original aim was to protect club & defend the support. Being subjected to punishment courtesy of a report from an organisation with a very questionable history & conduct, reporting to a extremely totalitarian Football Authority whose Articles would give most legislators a field day, ticks my boxes in terms of defending the support. That said I do think the drive & initiative needs to come from within the club itself - I doubt, as histoty has shown, that it wil stop with TBB. It is already on to orange strips. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,744 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 9 hours ago, pete said: What is a race? it used to be based on Language and the English language is a Germanic language. Now it is possibly down to DNA and I think you will find that the Germanic people range from the Italian border where the Roman people are the biggest group,Switzerland Austria Germany, to Britain where the Anglo saxons were a breakaway group of Germanic people. I have no idea why this is relevant to us singing the Billy boys but hey Ho. The easiest way to find out is simply checking wikipedia or the lexicon of your choice. Same for racism. Language will not appear ... else we Germans would not regard the Bavarians as Germans. The whole thing is a hydra with many heads, all need to be tackled. - supporters need to see that singing TBB and any add-ons of the FTP variety will be regarded as offensive, sectarian or discriminatory. These songs et al have to stop - for the time being. If need be, the hardcore element shall view this as a ceasefire till we actually get any serious and usable information on the matter. At the end of the day, this has nothing to do with freedom of speech or the like, if you enter Ibrox with your ticket in hand, you agree to the house rules which are set by the landlord. Obviously, common sense should make these people refrain from harming our club. What happens on away days like today is another matter though. Here you would have to rely on things like fan-stewards, who, if need be, need to weed out the hardcore singers. Likewise, it should be made clear to the authorities that weeding these things out is not a thing of days or weeks ... and punishments - if any - need to be made against all offenders, not just us. THIS is actually the main job for the Supporters Liaison Officer. Get the fans and the club together and find solutions. - FARE ... should be questioned and UEFA need to be made aware of their stance and background. Therefore, someone from our support needs to contact UEFA, as FARE`s warped image of racism and sectarianism is blatant for anyone willing to see. - the days of mumbo-jumbo need to end. Everyone with a keyboard can whip up stuff about what is ssectarian or racist or whatnot, to his or her heart`s content. Thus, it needs to be made clear which songs are regarded as offensive by Rangers ... and Rangers alone. We need some legs to stand upon and if the club says: stop TBB and any FTP addons, but give BMG, Derry`s Walls and We`re coming down the road with all barrells, we have something to work with. Else it will continue that others, and mainly agenda driven people will a) tell us what is offensive and b) go to UEFA and cry foul, citing songs which are all but racist or even sectarian. UEFA will not double check this, as they have enough to do counting their CL and EL money. If we have a No-No-Songbook, both club and support can tackle any attacks, fines or penalties. THIS is actually ANOTHER job for the Supporters Liaison Officer. Get the fans and the club together and find solutions. - Them. How come that we get a stand closed after years of inactivity by UEFA? Whereas they get away with all sorts of wrongdoings, from political displays, attacking opposition players, and continually singing their IRAoke? How come that FARE is nowhere to be seen when the chant FTQ or hail hail terrorists? Want to see us dead. How come UEFA does not react to that? It is ominously quiet both here and on FF once I suggest that we should also ask for help or at least oppinions from British institutions, like the Ministry of Defence, Justice and the Home Office regarding the anti-British behaviour at the Scumhut, the unlawful pro-terrorist chanting. Did the Orange Order actually say a single word regarding the hanging of the blow-up dolls? - Tackle media campaigns. Be it ridiculous rubbish from Stewart or articles like McConnell`s in the Herald, who not once mentioned her beloved Hooped Horrors. The pendulum swing gloriously in one direction and the club seemingly looks at it like the bunny at the snake. This is not on. Journalists are not propaganda tools of people with agendas ... and if they behave as such, they and it need to be named and shamed. ... all this just for starters. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooponthewing 1,139 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc said: Dropping TBB and others from the the songbook and focusing on supporting the team properly leads us forward and will actually piss off FARE, the Green Brigade and the BBC a whole lot more than if we just sit in our bunker and continue to hand them the ammunition to really hurt us. Great comment! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RANGERRAB 3,674 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, D'Artagnan said: Im not sure I can agree with that Pete - the original aim was to protect club & defend the support. Being subjected to punishment courtesy of a report from an organisation with a very questionable history & conduct, reporting to a extremely totalitarian Football Authority whose Articles would give most legislators a field day, ticks my boxes in terms of defending the support. That said I do think the drive & initiative needs to come from within the club itself - I doubt, as histoty has shown, that it wil stop with TBB. More needs to be done about FARE and their accountability. Who decides games they attend & is this with the consent of UEFA ? Who are the people they send to games & their backgrounds? Do UEFA validate any reports they send after games? Who is funding FARE? FARE are a secretive organisation with agendas against selected clubs. They are cowards who will not reveal the identity of their ‘match reporters’. There is no place in the 21st century for KGB-type spying organisations in football or any other sport . Discipline must come from UEFA only in order to be seen as impartial Edited August 25, 2019 by RANGERRAB 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,744 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 It is interesting what actually goes on in Scotland, be it FARE or these CO shadow cabal with "carefully selected people from society" that no-one ever knows about. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walterbear 557 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 26 minutes ago, der Berliner said: The easiest way to find out is simply checking wikipedia or the lexicon of your choice. Same for racism. Language will not appear ... else we Germans would not regard the Bavarians as Germans. The whole thing is a hydra with many heads, all need to be tackled. - supporters need to see that singing TBB and any add-ons of the FTP variety will be regarded as offensive, sectarian or discriminatory. These songs et al have to stop - for the time being. If need be, the hardcore element shall view this as a ceasefire till we actually get any serious and usable information on the matter. At the end of the day, this has nothing to do with freedom of speech or the like, if you enter Ibrox with your ticket in hand, you agree to the house rules which are set by the landlord. Obviously, common sense should make these people refrain from harming our club. What happens on away days like today is another matter though. Here you would have to rely on things like fan-stewards, who, if need be, need to weed out the hardcore singers. Likewise, it should be made clear to the authorities that weeding these things out is not a thing of days or weeks ... and punishments - if any - need to be made against all offenders, not just us. THIS is actually the main job for the Supporters Liaison Officer. Get the fans and the club together and find solutions. - FARE ... should be questioned and UEFA need to be made aware of their stance and background. Therefore, someone from our support needs to contact UEFA, as FARE`s warped image of racism and sectarianism is blatant for anyone willing to see. - the days of mumbo-jumbo need to end. Everyone with a keyboard can whip up stuff about what is ssectarian or racist or whatnot, to his or her heart`s content. Thus, it needs to be made clear which songs are regarded as offensive by Rangers ... and Rangers alone. We need some legs to stand upon and if the club says: stop TBB and any FTP addons, but give BMG, Derry`s Walls and We`re coming down the road with all barrells, we have something to work with. Else it will continue that others, and mainly agenda driven people will a) tell us what is offensive and b) go to UEFA and cry foul, citing songs which are all but racist or even sectarian. UEFA will not double check this, as they have enough to do counting their CL and EL money. If we have a No-No-Songbook, both club and support can tackle any attacks, fines or penalties. THIS is actually ANOTHER job for the Supporters Liaison Officer. Get the fans and the club together and find solutions. - Them. How come that we get a stand closed after years of inactivity by UEFA? Whereas they get away with all sorts of wrongdoings, from political displays, attacking opposition players, and continually singing their IRAoke? How come that FARE is nowhere to be seen when the chant FTQ or hail hail terrorists? Want to see us dead. How come UEFA does not react to that? It is ominously quiet both here and on FF once I suggest that we should also ask for help or at least oppinions from British institutions, like the Ministry of Defence, Justice and the Home Office regarding the anti-British behaviour at the Scumhut, the unlawful pro-terrorist chanting. Did the Orange Order actually say a single word regarding the hanging of the blow-up dolls? - Tackle media campaigns. Be it ridiculous rubbish from Stewart or articles like McConnell`s in the Herald, who not once mentioned her beloved Hooped Horrors. The pendulum swing gloriously in one direction and the club seemingly looks at it like the bunny at the snake. This is not on. Journalists are not propaganda tools of people with agendas ... and if they behave as such, they and it need to be named and shamed. ... all this just for starters. FARE exist for European games dB. The inequality is frustrating but they are there to give an ethical rubber stamp to UEFA. They target games with a high risk of racism, xenophobia and anti semitism. UEFA need them to offset their own corrupt image. One way way to get the frustration and point raised and across to FARE would be to apply for a grant to raise awareness and education. That may be something Club 1872 could avail themselves of to fund leaflets distribution to our own fans (or whatever) and at the same time would show FARE that we are proactive as a fan base and trying to address our issues. That I think is where we are. Fighting FARE and UEFA won’t work. https://farenet.org/campaigns/footballpeople-action-weeks/apply-for-a-2019-footballpeople-grant/ https://farenet.org/get-involved/report-discrimination/observer-scheme-faq/ 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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