Neil Cameron on the Rangers support

[Bill 13,717]

  On 25/07/2019 at 11:01, der Berliner said:

I know that whataboutery doesn`t help often, but I would like to read a similar article by Mr. Cameron on the Yahoos.  And not with regards with child abuse, even though he may add another article on that topic too. Just to see whether he has some balance.

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Hear hear

[Gaffer 1,665]

  On 25/07/2019 at 12:22, Tannochsidebear said:

So this chunt attends the Everyone Anyone launch and goes to write a piece about this for his failing rhag of a paper, and manages to includes lies about Johnston being the first high-profile RC, including supposed quotes from a RSA official that I do recall from the time or have ever heard of since, confirms we are still a Protestant institution, slags our fans songbook, ridicules our collective politics as being worse than the Nazis, In over 30 years of going to just about every game Rangers play I have never seen a Nazi or any Nazi flags, banners etc, but somehow he says he sees them around all the time. 

 

I could go on but I have lost the will to do so with this utter tripe.

 

Suffice to say that we spend a fortune to launch this campaign, invite the journos along, and then the write another negative piece about Rangers fans whcih barely mentions the campaign and tells you nothing about it.

 

Why do we let people like this to have free access to our club?

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Who was the first high profile catholic to sign?  I honestly thought it was MoJo.  I do however remember people expressing the anti catholic view at the time, and threatening to rip up their season tickets.  It was especially visible that first day at Ibrox.

 

I haven't seen the wider article that mentions our worse than Nazi politics?  Where is it published?

 

I thought it read largely positive but I've only read what was published here, and not the other points you've mentioned.

[cooponthewing 1,139]

  On 25/07/2019 at 13:08, Gaffer said:

Who was the first high profile catholic to sign?  

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I can only remember John Spencer who went on to play for Chelsea? I’m sure there were some before that though? It all depends on your definition of “high profile” I guess?

[26th of foot 6,225]

Neil has a piece in today's Herald, 'Five things we learned as Celtic breeze through Estonian test'. Number two of things learned is, 'Celtic shouldn't have to play Euro-qualifiers'. He utilises four paragraphs to explain ra Sellik are just too good for the standard of opposition. I don't think ra Sellik being special will cut it with UEFA? Of course, Neil should provide some pertinent evidence to support his emotive plea.

 

It's akin to his take on Rangers and diversity, "okay, we know a few left footers slipped through the net". This is stated to assuage his obvious reluctance in describing Rangers signing of MoJo as, "the first high profile RC". As stated before, Rangers signed as many RCs in their first fifty years as other Scots clubs(outside those clubs deliberately founded to play RCs ie ra Sellik, Hibs, Dundee Hibs, ..... etc). I believe during Bill Struth's tenure, four RCs did slip through the nets? 

 

Clearly, it was Struth from 1919 that imposes a non RC signing policy. Why?

 

I penned an article nearly two decades past that attempted to explain the then reasoning, NOT to excuse the policy. Struth and Wilton were both Commissioned Officers in the Royal Army Medical Corps. They worked throughout WW1 and in Struth's case, for nearly a decade after the Armistice. Dealing with multiple soldiers'  and their horrific mutilating wounds(physical and cerebral). After WW1, those soldiers in particular felt keen betrayal reference the events in Dublin during 1916. It was in their terms, a stab in the back.

 

I believe Struth solicited soldiers he was helping to restore. Further, I believe it was an unacceptable and inexcusable action?

 

Now, Neil Cameron could do some research but he is lazy. He prefers to sit extremely comfortably with his preferred prejudice. However, the facts are out there, Neil has had to move his position from Rangers NEVER signed a catholic until MoJo, to he is the first high profile RC. The current position will not hold for much longer either. 

[Bill 13,717]

In case anyone thinks it, let me assure you Neil Cameron is no fool. He hates Rangers but he's no fool. He's survived too long while colleagues have dropped like flies to ever be underestimated.

 

This particular article is quite clever. On the surface of it he's flattering us by saying that Rangers fans have changed and are less bigoted and more inclusive. However, what he's really doing is saying to Rangers fans "if you want people to stop thinking of you as Neanderthals then you need to be less loyalist/unionist and more pro-independence". His aim here is clearly to give confidence to the few Rangers fans who have or are tempted to stray from our core loyalist/unionist/conservative tradition, thereby quietly attacking what he hates most about us. There's always more than one way to skin a cat and Cameron will no doubt pull the wool over the eyes of a few gullible bears with this nonsense.

Edited July 25, 2019 by Bill

[Gaffer 1,665]

  On 25/07/2019 at 13:12, cooponthewing said:

I can only remember John Spencer who went on to play for Chelsea? I’m sure there were some before that though? It all depends on your definition of “high profile” I guess?

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Cheers.  I never really thought of him as high profile which is probably why I did always think it was MoJo.  As I said in another thread, the main point for me about this signing was because of his association with Celtic and the fact we got one over on them by signing him.  It was a real GIRUY moment, but I do remember a few bears not being so happy.

[Gaffer 1,665]

  On 25/07/2019 at 13:33, Bill said:

In case anyone thinks it, let me assure you Neil Cameron is no fool. He hates Rangers but he's no fool. He's survived too long while colleagues have dropped like flies to ever be underestimated.

 

This particular article is quite clever. On the surface of it he's flattering us by saying that Rangers fans have changed and are less bigoted and more inclusive. However, what he's really doing is saying to Rangers fans "if you want people to stop thinking of you as Neanderthals then you need to be less loyalist/unionist and more pro-independence". His aim here is clearly to give confidence to the few Rangers fans who have or are tempted to stray from our core loyalist/unionist/conservative tradition, thereby quietly attacking what he hates most about us. There's always more than one way to skin a cat and Cameron will no doubt pull the wool over the eyes of a few gullible bears with this nonsense.

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I'll be shocked and stunned if Neil Cameron has any influence on anyone.  I thought it was an entertaining piece, but not something I expect anyone will dwell on.  It was a fairly basic piece of writing with nothing new or any great insights.  I couldn't even tell you what rag he writes for either.  Someone opined earlier that's he's an irrelevance and that pretty much sums him up.  This will be an old story by the time Aribo scores our first goal tonight.

[Gonzo79 15,306]

The problem isn't individual stories, Gaffer.  It's the continual, one-sided assault on all things Rangers.

[Bluedell 6,151]

  On 25/07/2019 at 14:47, Gonzo79 said:

The problem isn't individual stories, Gaffer.  It's the continual, one-sided assault on all things Rangers.

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And we've seen it ramp up over the past few weeks to keep another distasteful story from the other side of the city out of the news.

[Gonzo79 15,306]

I suppose to some (very odd, in my opinion) people, a bit of cultural intolerance is more newsworthy than the systematic abuse of children.  

 

Neil Cameron is one such person.