Uilleam 5,962 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 3 hours ago, compo said: I am of an era when stats were 36/24/36 ? And 'Shape', Compo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rousseau 10,823 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 3 hours ago, the gunslinger said: No idea how you can say that about ojo and Jones has 11 goals in his life by the age of 24 so that's patent nonsense. Kent didn't have enough of an end-product, for me. Ojo has one goal in one, with a similar ability with the ball. Re Jones and Candeias, I admit it's a projection, but Candeias had 5 goals and 5 assists in the League last season playing for the top scorers in the league, whereas Jones has 4 goals and 4 assists playing for a side that scores bugger all. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he may be better offensively. He may not be. If you're going to bring their total career stats into it, Jones has 45 goals + assists in 193 games ( contributing 0.23 goals per game), whereas Candeias has 96 goals + assists in 384 games (contributing 0.25 goals per game). Candeias is 7 years older. It's just my opinion. I still love Candeias to bits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMAA 3,658 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 3 hours ago, the gunslinger said: No idea how you can say that about ojo and Jones has 11 goals in his life by the age of 24 so that's patent nonsense. I do think our fans are overestimating Jones. Doesn’t suit our formation and is a less good version of Kent who I didn’t even like. Like Kent he’s good at winning free kicks, goes down easily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMAA 3,658 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rousseau said: Jones and Candeias, I admit it's a projection, but Candeias had 5 goals and 5 assists in the League last season playing for the top scorers in the league, whereas Jones has 4 goals and 4 assists playing for a side that scores bugger all I’m going to stand up for Candeias here. Candeias’s assists are real assists, normally a quality pass or cross. Jones is a very similar player to Kent and the assists Transfermarkt give them are not real assists in my eyes. Jones is credited with 4 “assists”. 2 were dives for penalties, 1 was a parried shot, 1 was a shot which was going wide and a defender deflected it in. All are fine but the word “assist” is, well, generous. Looking at his 4 goals doesn’t help much either. A mishit cross against Motherwell, a penalty against Hearts, a decent long shot against us but easily McGregor’s lowest point of the season, and an open goal against St Mirren. As much I believe we had to move on from Candeias he’s a much better attacking midfielder than Jones. It’s understandable that there is hype over a new signing but Jones is an average attacking mid. He’s all about pace, “directness” and going down easily to win free kicks and penalties. Edited July 19, 2019 by DMAA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Rousseau said: Kent didn't have enough of an end-product, for me. Ojo has one goal in one, with a similar ability with the ball. Re Jones and Candeias, I admit it's a projection, but Candeias had 5 goals and 5 assists in the League last season playing for the top scorers in the league, whereas Jones has 4 goals and 4 assists playing for a side that scores bugger all. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he may be better offensively. He may not be. If you're going to bring their total career stats into it, Jones has 45 goals + assists in 193 games ( contributing 0.23 goals per game), whereas Candeias has 96 goals + assists in 384 games (contributing 0.25 goals per game). Candeias is 7 years older. It's just my opinion. I still love Candeias to bits. What's the split between goals and assists? Also where do you get those figures? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 15,299 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 I think our wingers have been and are generally pretty average. But we don't have a target man, in the traditional sense, so I don't think it's a huge issue. We need to break teams down on the edge of the box and Ojo and Arfield both look good at doing that. Although I think we need a more central, No.10 style, player still...but I've been saying that since we came up. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacK1950 2,399 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 hour ago, DMAA said: Jones is an average attacking mid. He’s all about pace, “directness” Did we not have someone from St. Johnstone(O'Halleron) who played in this manner and did not last long at us?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 15,299 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, MacK1950 said: Did we not have someone from St. Johnstone(O'Halleron) who played in this manner and did not last long at us?. To be fair, I doubt we'll see Jones in amongst the scum support or any of his relatives working at the Paedodome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacK1950 2,399 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 That's fine Gonzo but I was referring to playing ability and not something being discussed on the other forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 15,299 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Determination to succeed comes as much from mental desire as footballing ability. I may be old fashioned but I don't want Celtc fans playing for Rangers. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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