Gonzo79 15,294 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, JohnMc said: The Roman Catholic church is no threat to our way of life today 12 minutes ago, JohnMc said: it doesn't need someone tanked up on Buckfast belting out about ******s to push it over the edge. Theobald Wolfe Tone was a Protestant. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 5,627 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 51 minutes ago, Pensively Staring said: So the Catholic Church is a cult but Free Masonry isn't.... Aye OK then. In what way are the Masons a cult? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSocksRedTops 3,752 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 When this topic is raised I'm always amazed that the issue of new fans is not addressed. Some tend to dwell on the negatives and how stopping these songs will somehow lose our core fan base. What about the opposite? What about young kids who are not being promoted through traditional family allegiances? What about fans who want to return and are tired of the FTP nonsense? With the advent of a global EPL on our doorsteps and the daily exposure to elite European football, it's hard enough to attract new fans. This stuff just makes it harder IMO. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,746 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said: Wishful thinking. Those will be next on their list. The songs will get sung today. Try not to get too upset - I realise how ruinous a nasty word can be for the thin skinned. The vast majority of Scots won't even notice but the usual suspects will be all over it. As I said, we and the club need to be pro-active. So far, we have been told what is "acceptable" or "sectarian" et al. And what we have seen is outcries on fanboards and the like, i.e. places of no consequence to the actual decisions. Should the club openly say that e.g. Derry's Walls is accepted, those crying foul will have some real entity to deal with and explain themselves. Edited March 3, 2019 by der Berliner 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 15,294 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, der Berliner said: So far, we have been told what is "acceptable" or "sectarian" et al. Can you provide a link to the list of songs we're not allowed to sing? As I said last night, give them an inch... 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEARGER 1,830 Posted March 3, 2019 Author Share Posted March 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said: Can you provide a link to the list of songs we're not allowed to sing? As I said last night, give them an inch... We should not require to be told what is acceptable and what’s not. Imo we should not be mentioning any religion in a disparaging way. No need at a football match to mention the pope, ******s or Bobby Sands for example. It’s not that we don’t have enough Rangers songs to sing. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bluedell 5,627 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said: Can you provide a link to the list of songs we're not allowed to sing? As I said last night, give them an inch... Are you not able to decide for yourself what's acceptable and what's not? Give who an inch? The Rangers board? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 15,294 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Bluedell said: Are you not able to decide for yourself what's acceptable and what's not? Give who an inch? The Rangers board? It's subjective, isn't it. I keep hearing we're a 'broad church', so I'd assume there's a variety of opinions on what is and isn't acceptable. There is no definitive list - there never has been. Bears submitting to the yahoo (incorrect) definition of the F word disappoints me, I must say. The board have already decided to give the inch. I doubt the support at Pittodrie today will be so willing. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,746 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 35 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said: Can you provide a link to the list of songs we're not allowed to sing? As I said last night, give them an inch... Thanks for making me checking this out, instead of diving into the world-wide web yourself ... ? Quote Old Firm clash songs: What Celtic and Rangers fans are banned from singing - and what's allowed THE match is being screened live around the world, so police don’t want Scotland to be embarrassed by yobs singing sectarian anthems. By David Taylor 19:37, 28 JAN 2015 Updated19:43, 28 JAN 2015 ROOKIE police are being taught sectarian songs – so they know who to arrest at Sunday’s Old Firm match. Officers who have never policed the fixture have learnt the words to hate-filled anthems such as Billy Boys and the Ibrox Disaster Song after their bosses vowed that any bigoted behaviour at the League Cup semi-final would not be tolerated. In December 2011, a list of banned songs were banned for being sectarian and fans were warned to stop belting them out. As well as songs such as the Famine Song and Glasgow Celtic IRA, any chants which refer to dead players such as Celtic winger Johnny Doyle or Rangers legend Davie Cooper have also been outlawed. Songs which have been deemed acceptable are The Fields of Athenry and The Soldiers’ Song, both favoured by Celtic fans, as well as Rangers fans’ anthems The Sash and The Cry is No Surrender. The match is being screened live around the world, so police don’t want Scotland to be embarrassed by yobs singing sectarian anthems. SONGS ALLOWED The Sash A song about the “Glorious Revolution” of 1688. It celebrates successes of the Protestant Crown in Irish battles against forces of the deposed Catholic King James VII of Scotland and II of England and Ireland. The lyrics are not deemed offensive in the eyes of the law. The Fields Of Athenry A song which refers to rebellion against the “Famine and the Crown”. A folk ballad lamenting the Irish famine of the 1840s and the harsh punishment – transportation – for petty food theft. The song would not be proscribed under the new law. The Cry Is No Surrender Another song about William and Mary’s accession to the throne of Scotland, England and Ireland. It commemorates the Siege of Derry in 1689 during the Williamite War in Ireland. Again, it would not be proscribed under any new legislation. The Soldiers’ Song The national anthem of the Republic of Ireland. Allowed under the legislation the same way Flower Of Scotland would be allowed. SONGS BANNED Billy Boys This song originated in the 1920s and celebrates the “Brigton” (Bridgeton, Glasgow) Protestant gang led by Billy Fullerton who often clashed with Catholic gangs. Lyrics such as “Up to our knees in F****n blood” mean it is classed as offensive. Glasgow Celtic IRA A chant which is offensive because of its terrorist reference. Celtic have said numerous times that there is no place for IRA references among the Celtic support. The Famine Song A chant which gloats about the Irish Famine of the 1840s. Proscribed as not only sectarian but also racist since it contains the lyrics “Why Don’t You Go Home?” Ibrox Disaster Song Offensive for obvious reasons. Songs about deceased players Various versions of sick and offensive songs have done the rounds with yobs singing about the death of Celtic winger Johnny Doyle, Rangers legend Davie Cooper and Dunfermline’s Norrie McCathie. JURY’S OUT The Boys Of The Old Brigade The song is a pro-IRA anthem relating to the Irish War of Independence. Some Celtic fans claim it is not sectarian but the BBC refused to apologise for branding it as sectarian. Follow Follow The correct lyrics of this song would not be deemed offensive under the law. But the corrupted version includes “F*** the Pope and the Vatican”. The Merry Ploughboy This song includes references to joining the IRA and Ireland’s struggle for freedom. The IRA referred to are the early 20th century version and not the late 20th century terrorist group. It was banned on TV for many years in the Republic of Ireland because of a line changed by many to say “the land De Valera sold”, interpreted as a reference to Ulster. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/old-firm-clash-songs-what-5060640 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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