StuGers 477 Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dragosani said: Well maybe we should look try and reach out to other supporter associations, at least then we can say we tried and no one was interested, its got to be better than the perpetual cycle of complaining that we do now. Also i wouldnt just stop at spfl, i would engage all the teams in the divisions below, after all didnt we make a few friends on the way up? Fair enough point. I would genuinely be pleased if we tried that but in the current climate I can’t see it being successful. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 2,499 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 One thing is certain, Liewell has Scottish football in a half nelson. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bill 13,717 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, StuGers said: I would genuinely love to disagree with you. But I find so many things that seem blatantly obvious and reeking of corruption - and you’re right; it is in daily life too. It's downplaying it by descriptions such as "inept, or "incompetent" that allows the corruption to flourish. Worse still is the self-doubter reaction that prefers to blame the situation on our own lack of vigilance or our "laziness". Refusing to see the worst in people might be seen by some to be a positive characteristic but it's largely just a product of social engineering and in fact all it does is hand immunity to corrupt people. For so long as folks pretend the entire edifice isn't controlled and orchestrated by a (not so) narrow section of society, the shit will continue to happen and those who perpetrate it will continue to flourish. (And no, I don't mean those big bad corporations ?) Edited February 18, 2019 by Bill 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post craig 5,199 Posted February 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2019 I can't be the only fan who is struggling to even watch games anymore. Corruption ? Inconsistency ? Honest mistakes ? When the majority of them go against you, or in favour of your biggest rivals for trophies, it effectively removes the word "competition" from the equation. It obliterates your energy for it, knowing that it isn't a level playing field, unless of course we actually believe that "they even themselves out over a season". We are currently 8 points behind Celtic, fair enough We have dropped points of our own making too many times, fair enough. But if you ask yourself how many points Celtic have dropped that were because of poor officiating - and how many points they have gained because of poor officiating.... and that is before you even begin looking at the same thing for us, it is galling. We had a 3 point swing in the 1st OF game (Jack foul, game would otherwise have ended 0-0, despite us being pumped), you also then have a 2 point swing this past weekend where a player scored a winner who should not have been on the pitch to score it - and, indeed, their opponents were down to 10 men AFTER he should have been sent off). That is 5 points in just two games (one game I watched, obviously - the other I just saw the images. I don't watch them but you can be sure there are more examples of points gained due to poor officiating. That is 5 out of 8 of a difference. Now, not for one minute am I excusing us dropping points we shouldn't, or indeed even poor performances against teams we should be beating - but when your rivals seem to be getting an unproportionate amount of "good luck" from officiating, and when the national media cover up any misdeeds (or show inconsistency - BBC said Brown's was a yellow card, yet absolutely hounded the authorities to give McGregor a two game ban) and attempt to derail us at every opportunity.... then your energy and passion for it just vanishes. We aren't playing on a level playing field - and that is the most galling aspect. If we were, and ended up second best, then fair enough. But I would just like to know how close we are if there actually was a competition in place. Lawwell has exactly what he always wanted - Rangers back at the top table but being crippled to prevent us from challenging, not just financially but from his vice-like grip on the media narrative, a very compliant media and a CO who, it seems, is more than willing to further assist in ensuring that Rangers will not challenge their run at the title. It is his dream scenario. It's sickening - and is edging me towards just shutting off from Scottish football - I probably would in fact, if it weren't for the love of Rangers that I have. 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bill 13,717 Posted February 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, craig said: I can't be the only fan who is struggling to even watch games anymore. Corruption ? Inconsistency ? Honest mistakes ? When the majority of them go against you, or in favour of your biggest rivals for trophies, it effectively removes the word "competition" from the equation. It obliterates your energy for it, knowing that it isn't a level playing field, unless of course we actually believe that "they even themselves out over a season". We are currently 8 points behind Celtic, fair enough We have dropped points of our own making too many times, fair enough. But if you ask yourself how many points Celtic have dropped that were because of poor officiating - and how many points they have gained because of poor officiating.... and that is before you even begin looking at the same thing for us, it is galling. We had a 3 point swing in the 1st OF game (Jack foul, game would otherwise have ended 0-0, despite us being pumped), you also then have a 2 point swing this past weekend where a player scored a winner who should not have been on the pitch to score it - and, indeed, their opponents were down to 10 men AFTER he should have been sent off). That is 5 points in just two games (one game I watched, obviously - the other I just saw the images. I don't watch them but you can be sure there are more examples of points gained due to poor officiating. That is 5 out of 8 of a difference. Now, not for one minute am I excusing us dropping points we shouldn't, or indeed even poor performances against teams we should be beating - but when your rivals seem to be getting an unproportionate amount of "good luck" from officiating, and when the national media cover up any misdeeds (or show inconsistency - BBC said Brown's was a yellow card, yet absolutely hounded the authorities to give McGregor a two game ban) and attempt to derail us at every opportunity.... then your energy and passion for it just vanishes. We aren't playing on a level playing field - and that is the most galling aspect. If we were, and ended up second best, then fair enough. But I would just like to know how close we are if there actually was a competition in place. Lawwell has exactly what he always wanted - Rangers back at the top table but being crippled to prevent us from challenging, not just financially but from his vice-like grip on the media narrative, a very compliant media and a CO who, it seems, is more than willing to further assist in ensuring that Rangers will not challenge their run at the title. It is his dream scenario. It's sickening - and is edging me towards just shutting off from Scottish football - I probably would in fact, if it weren't for the love of Rangers that I have. I already have, except for Rangers. I never watch Scottish football, except Rangers, and that includes the national team, which I long ago abandoned as a sick joke. Football in Scotland is a sad farce and relentlessly corrupt - and perhaps the worst of it is almost no one cares. Edited February 18, 2019 by Bill 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,724 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 The corruption involved in us being kicked out of the top league down to the bottom was evident, see Hearts FC the following season! and has just got worse, I have always said if it wasn't for Rangers I would not be watching/attending any Scottish football. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, ian1964 said: The corruption involved in us being kicked out of the top league down to the bottom was evident, see Hearts FC the following season! and has just got worse, I have always said if it wasn't for Rangers I would not be watching/attending any Scottish football. I'd go a step further and say if Rangers as a club don't do something very soon to expose this corruption then there will be an awful lot fewer Rangers fans in ten years time. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,724 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Bill said: I'd go a step further and say if Rangers as a club don't do something very soon to expose this corruption then there will be an awful lot fewer Rangers fans in ten years time. I'm not sure how the club ca do that! I mean any time Rangers release a statement it is laughed at by the Scottish gutter press! and the corrupt SFA just charge & fine the club!. I have said it before, until other clubs stand with Rangers things will remain the same!. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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