StuGers 477 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Fantastic article. As usual, well done. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 5,193 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Bill said: Not so in cricket. The umpire makes his decision strictly in response to the appeal of the players. That decision can then be reviewed but again only at the appeal of the captains. Depends, for run-outs, stumpings, no-balls, if ball has reached boundary, 4 or 6 and probably more,.... the umpire can request assistance. The thing about tennis and cricket is that the teams have a maximum number of appeals that come within their respective set criteria. I reckon that VAR/football could trial a maximum of one appeal per team, per 45 or 90 minutes. This would be in addition to the way VAR is used just now and would partially eliminate one of the systems weaknesses, ie. when VAR assistant doesn't pick up on something, eg. Real Madrid penalty claim last Sunday. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
les186 271 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, buster. said: Depends, for run-outs, stumpings, no-balls, if ball has reached boundary, 4 or 6 and probably more,.... the umpire can request assistance. The thing about tennis and cricket is that the teams have a maximum number of appeals that come within their respective set criteria. I reckon that VAR/football could trial a maximum of one appeal per team, per 45 or 90 minutes. This would be in addition to the way VAR is used just now and would partially eliminate one of the systems weaknesses, ie. when VAR assistant doesn't pick up on something, eg. Real Madrid penalty claim last Sunday. Good idea, but does the ref get overruled? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 5,193 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, les186 said: Good idea, but does the ref get overruled? If he's clearly wrong then he should get overruled IMO. I don't think the disciplinary side of things (cards) should be included in what can be appealed by teams. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewarty 2,025 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, les186 said: Good idea, but does the ref get overruled? in Cricket they have a video umpire independently reviews the passage of play that is in question, and relays back to the on field umpire whether their original decision is correct, or should be overturned. That works in relation to decisions taken by the umpire only where one of the teams appeals a decision. For all other judgement calls, its down to the video umpire judges based on the tools available. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewarty 2,025 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, buster. said: If he's clearly wrong then he should get overruled IMO. I don't think the disciplinary side of things (cards) should be included in what can be appealed by teams. I think the key element is also that in cricket, the decision is only overturned on appeal in the event that the video umpire can see sufficient evidence that the on-field umpire made the wrong call. perversely, this has in turn helped to improve the quality of umpiring over the years as the umpires are able to quickly review contentious decisions and learn from their mistakes. Cricket does however have additional technology to help refine those areas further - e.g. the decision review system that uses hawkeye, heat maps, sensitive microphones, etc to detect contact between bat and ball Edited January 8, 2019 by stewarty 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I’m not hugely convinced VAR would stop the lunacy from Parkhead and it’s associated media trash. VAR would simply be another source of bias against Celtic and would have to be controlled if possible, attacked if not. Who would decide who sits on the VAR panel? Could they be trusted to be impartial? Before you know it VAR would be just one more Masonic conspiracy. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,724 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 33 minutes ago, Bill said: I’m not hugely convinced VAR would stop the lunacy from Parkhead and it’s associated media trash. VAR would simply be another source of bias against Celtic and would have to be controlled if possible, attacked if not. Who would decide who sits on the VAR panel? Could they be trusted to be impartial? Before you know it VAR would be just one more Masonic conspiracy. The ref has already said he seen all 3 Morelos incidents & is quite happy, the compliance officer has agreed with the ref, yet we still have the moon howlers/bigots screaming conspiracy! I don't see how VAR will change that! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 15,294 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 36 minutes ago, Bill said: Before you know it VAR would be just one more Masonic conspiracy. Spot on. It's not even in doubt. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, ian1964 said: The ref has already said he seen all 3 Morelos incidents & is quite happy, the compliance officer has agreed with the ref, yet we still have the moon howlers/bigots screaming conspiracy! I don't see how VAR will change that! Nope. All it would do is create yet another layer for Celtic to manipulate. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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