der Berliner 3,820 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, ian1964 said: The debrief states: “Celtic team lap of honour was not helpful as Celtic fans did not leave. The team coming to the south-east corner was a clear flashpoint for the Rangers fans. “Apparently in direct response to player behaviour, crowd surged forward down on to the platform and over the wheelchair users. Increased aggression towards police broke through holdback at vomitories.” Maybe forlanssister can verify this, but from reading the above you would assume that it was in the Rangers end where wheelchair users were harmed, when it was in fact Yahoos spilling over to the barriers and then Rangers and other wheelchair users, turning one over? Thus, a straightfaced lie blackmailing our support? Same may be said about the police, who, instead of e.g. removing Griffiths from the scene, marched into our section, did they not? Edited November 26, 2018 by der Berliner 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onevision 1,595 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Here was me looking forward to Halliday planting a union flag in the centre circle at the piggery when we next beat them there, plod sure know how to spoil things. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 5,679 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 hour ago, pete said: Why would it cause a crush if fans know they can't leave and need to stay in their seats? I am not sure why you think entertainment is so stupid they could have youth players playing a game or something. If the away end is cleared they could let the players back on for their round of honour. Is leaving before the end or shortly after such a necessity these days. People would be queuing up to leave. They'd be queued up on the stairs waiting to get out, or crushed in the concourse. Most people aren't interested in the entertainment they put on at half time, so I can't see why they would be interested in it at the end of a game. The mentality of home fans is different from away fans. I had something on and to leave the game on Saturday slightly early. Am I now going to stopped from doing that? The club should be treating home fans as a priority. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forlanssister 3,114 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 56 minutes ago, der Berliner said: Maybe forlanssister can verify this, but from reading the above you would assume that it was in the Rangers end where wheelchair users were harmed, when it was in fact Yahoos spilling over to the barriers and then Rangers and other wheelchair users, turning one over? Thus, a straightfaced lie blackmailing our support? Same may be said about the police, who, instead of e.g. removing Griffiths from the scene, marched into our section, did they not? It was the Rangers end where the wheelchair users were hurt, they were hurt by the Rangers fans rushing forward. There was no involvement of Celtic fans in that incident. This is not the first incident of its type and sadly given the pathetic responses to our concerns won't be the last. Police actions and inactions contributed to the incident. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,761 Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 2 hours ago, MacK1950 said: Holding fans back is a good idea in principle but to me makes no sense as anyone who is going to be looking for confrontation will await their "rivals" anyway. Stopping the goading of rival teams fans by players certainly should be stopped but players going to their own fans to me is acceptable. Rangers players get stopped by the stewards getting near the Rangers fans when we score at the piggery 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 2,499 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Gonzo79 said: Holding 50k back to let 800 out would be bonkers. No it wouldn't as long as it was well intimated. It is easier to clear 800 as 50.000. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 15,299 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Imagine we lost 3-0 and the Police/stewards told 50,000 of us we can't leave while the yahoo fans and players celebrate. As I said, bonkers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger_syntax 4,424 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 4 hours ago, Bluedell said: That's totally impractical. Are they going to lock all the gates at Ibrox and stop 50.000 trying to leave? I'm not sure how the police prevent away supporters from leaving. I do know that they are not allowed to lock the exits though. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aweebluesoandso 290 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 3 hours ago, ian1964 said: Rangers players get stopped by the stewards getting near the Rangers fans when we score at the piggery That's putting it mildly Ian, they were manhandled back to the pitch. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 15,299 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 At the end of the day, players should be advised not to goad opposition fans. Leigh Griffiths and Neil Lennon are both symbolic of the problem in Scotland. They're a pair of delinquents. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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