Yet another attack by the Anti-Rangers Party (SNP)

[craig 5,199]

Aye but it cant be the SNP Frankie because they haven't come out and publicly declared they are anti-Rangers.... And their Twitter handles say "views my own, not that of my Party".  But it's more than just a little interesting that in recent months (and maybe the last 18 months or so) that more and more SNP representatives find it comfortable in sticking their head above the parapet and making anti-Rangers commentary.

 

You can certainly say that it isn't SNP as a party (which party would explicitly alienate a significant portion of the electorate) - but it is surely without coincidence the number of SNP representatives that tweet anti-Rangers rhetoric.  The SNP supporters are republican in nature, which is fine and they are also, by nature, anti-Union - which again is fine - but please don't insult my intelligence by suggesting that there isn't an agenda at play amongst these representatives.

 

The representatives of the SNP and their supporters should at least be adult enough to accept that is what is happening.  Rangers are perceived to be Unionist as a support (yes, we are) and, as such, are seen as being "against independence" which is the main goal of the SNP.  Again I say, that's fine.  What is NOT fine is that the SNP and its representatives have a DUTY to every single one of their constituents, not just those who agree with them.  

 

More and more frequently we have SNP representatives making negative commentary about Rangers, its fans, its players, its representatives - and we SHOULD call it out when it happens.

[Darthter 542]

29 minutes ago, Frankie said:

Now, back to the topic in hand, please and the embarrassing comments from yet another SNP figurehead.

SNP figurehead - the MSP for Paisley???

 

Embarrassing is pushing it...Did the Rangers fans leave the stands and enter what is generally termed the "Field of play"??  Yes they did.  Was it a pitch invasion....no.  Is it a matter for the Police...no.  Will Rangers get carpeted for it...probably.

 

Edited November 5, 2018 by Frankie
Superfluous stuff removed

[Frankie 8,562]

2 minutes ago, craig said:

Aye but it cant be the SNP Frankie because they haven't come out and publicly declared they are anti-Rangers.... And their Twitter handles say "views my own, not that of my Party".  But it's more than just a little interesting that in recent months (and maybe the last 18 months or so) that more and more SNP representatives find it comfortable in sticking their head above the parapet and making anti-Rangers commentary.

 

You can certainly say that it isn't SNP as a party (which party would explicitly alienate a significant portion of the electorate) - but it is surely without coincidence the number of SNP representatives that tweet anti-Rangers rhetoric.  The SNP supporters are republican in nature, which is fine and they are also, by nature, anti-Union - which again is fine - but please don't insult my intelligence by suggesting that there isn't an agenda at play amongst these representatives.

 

The representatives of the SNP and their supporters should at least be adult enough to accept that is what is happening.  Rangers are perceived to be Unionist as a support (yes, we are) and, as such, are seen as being "against independence" which is the main goal of the SNP.  Again I say, that's fine.  What is NOT fine is that the SNP and its representatives have a DUTY to every single one of their constituents, not just those who agree with them.  

 

More and more frequently we have SNP representatives making negative commentary about Rangers, its fans, its players, its representatives - and we SHOULD call it out when it happens.

Agree with all that Craig.

 

FWIW, I find it very difficult to align myself to any party nowadays as the older I get the more nonsense these people seem to talk.  I'd also suggest using one's football team as a barometer in how to vote isn't the most sensible thing in the world but Rangers are important to me so it is something I factor into the way I vote.  I want my football club treated the same as others and the SNP have proven they won't do that.  Worse, they're not alone - isn't that right James Kelly?

 

Generally it worries me greatly that people like Adam, Dornan, Kelly and others are in positions of authority when their words and actions are so worryingly inaccurate, naive and eager to cause offence.  Unfortunately, it's not just the SNP politicians that are guilty of such and that's what has turned me off politics so much in recent years.

 

Brexit, Independence, the NHS, education, policing etc etc etc - all are important subjects and all are being managed incredibly badly throughout the debate.  It's a mess!

[craig 5,199]

20 minutes ago, Darthter said:

SNP figurehead - the MSP for Paisley???

 

Embarrassing is pushing it...Did the Rangers fans leave the stands and enter what is generally termed the "Field of play"??  Yes they did.  Was it a pitch invasion....no.  Is it a matter for the Police...no.  Will Rangers get carpeted for it...probably.

 

He's an MSP - so, yes, he is a figurehead.  Of course he is.  Ohhhh, right, you want to take literal terms when it suits.

 

It really is embarrassing.  He should be embarrassed for telling lies for a start.  "Pitch invasion" - the exact words he used.  Which fans invaded the pitch ?  It's ok, I'll answer, NONE.  No, the field of play is the playing surface, not trackside.  And he didn't say "field of play" - he said "park" and I'm pretty sure we all consider "park" as the pitch.

 

Why should Rangers get carpeted for that ?

 

Also, care to comment on his clear hypocrisy ?  You know, complaining that Rangers fans "invaded the park" when in 2016, after THOUSANDS of HIbs fans invaded the park he said "Well done.  Enjoy".  Any mention on that hypocrisy ?

 

[Frankie 8,562]

5 minutes ago, Darthter said:

SNP figurehead - the MSP for Paisley???

 

Embarrassing is pushing it...Did the Rangers fans leave the stands and enter what is generally termed the "Field of play"??  Yes they did.  Was it a pitch invasion....no.  Is it a matter for the Police...no.  Will Rangers get carpeted for it...probably.

 

I consider all MPs and MSPs figureheads given their positions of responsibility.  I don't think that's unfair.

 

I also didn't notice any Rangers fans leave the stands but accept one or two outwith TV cameras may have but none were on the field of play.  Ergo, in my view, Adam's comments were only intended to create mischief and as such are embarrassing and irresponsible given the lack of balance shown with respect to other events.

 

I've absolutely no idea why any RFC fan would think otherwise - whether you vote SNP or not.

[Darthter 542]

5 minutes ago, craig said:

It really isn't embarrassing.  He should be embarrassed for telling lies for a start.  "Pitch invasion" - the exact words he used.  Which fans invaded the pitch ?  It's ok, I'll answer, NONE.  No, the field of play is the playing surface, not trackside.  And he didn't say "field of play" - he said "park" and I'm pretty sure we all consider "park" as the pitch.

 

Why should Rangers get carpeted for that ?

That is a matter for the SPFL to decide....not the police or local politician.

[craig 5,199]

6 minutes ago, Frankie said:

Agree with all that Craig.

 

FWIW, I find it very difficult to align myself to any party nowadays as the older I get the more nonsense these people seem to talk.  I'd also suggest using one's football team as a barometer in how to vote isn't the most sensible thing in the world but Rangers are important to me so it is something I factor into the way I vote.  I want my football club treated the same as others and the SNP have proven they won't do that.  Worse, they're not alone - isn't that right James Kelly?

 

Generally it worries me greatly that people like Adam, Dornan, Kelly and others are in positions of authority when their words and actions are so worryingly inaccurate, naive and eager to cause offence.  Unfortunately, it's not just the SNP politicians that are guilty of such and that's what has turned me off politics so much in recent years.

 

Brexit, Independence, the NHS, education, policing etc etc etc - all are important subjects and all are being managed incredibly badly throughout the debate.  It's a mess!

I personally have no party affiliations.  Once upon a time I would have voted SNP.  I voted Tory in my first general election vote because I felt they would be the ones that would provide the better economy for the greater mass of people.  But voting SNP wouldn't have bothered me, nor would it have bothered me voting Labour.

 

In fact, it often confuses me to have people vote along party lines every single election.  Anyone with an ounce of economics knowledge knows that there are times for socialist policies to succeed and times for market economics to succeed.  Maybe I am just too simple to believe that one party can forever provide you what you want - it simply can't happen.

 

I readily admit, however, that supporting the SNP right now is something I couldn't get behind - and I don't think it is even just because of the independence thing - I could get behind independence if I felt it was right for the country and, more importantly to me, the right people who could make it successful.  But this current batch of SNP will never be able to convince me they would be able to.  The devolved powers they do have, they have made a complete pigs ear of.

 

The more anti-Rangers rhetoric that I see or read just pushes me further and further away from them - and maybe that's their grand plan - to alienate Rangers fans - the rest of the Scottish footballing world hates us so maybe the SNP see us as being the minority  that if they show their anti-Rangers credentials then it will actually boost other voting segments, not just the republican or RC voting block - but the Aberdeen fans, or Dundee Utd fans.  Strange as it sounds to think football fans will vote based on those allegiances rather than political manifests that they see the best for the populace - but we do indeed live in strange times.

 

On topic, George Adam lied yesterday - anyone suggesting otherwise is "at it" - and he also showed just how easy he finds hypocrisy - if any of us, SNP supporters included, aren't concerned about that, then we are missing something.

[craig 5,199]

3 minutes ago, Darthter said:

That is a matter for the SPFL to decide....not the police or local politician.

How about you answer on his decision to tell lies and show hypocrisy ?

[Frankie 8,562]

2 minutes ago, craig said:

I personally have no party affiliations.  Once upon a time I would have voted SNP.  I voted Tory in my first general election vote because I felt they would be the ones that would provide the better economy for the greater mass of people.  But voting SNP wouldn't have bothered me, nor would it have bothered me voting Labour.

 

In fact, it often confuses me to have people vote along party lines every single election.  Anyone with an ounce of economics knowledge knows that there are times for socialist policies to succeed and times for market economics to succeed.  Maybe I am just too simple to believe that one party can forever provide you what you want - it simply can't happen.

 

I readily admit, however, that supporting the SNP right now is something I couldn't get behind - and I don't think it is even just because of the independence thing - I could get behind independence if I felt it was right for the country and, more importantly to me, the right people who could make it successful.  But this current batch of SNP will never be able to convince me they would be able to.  The devolved powers they do have, they have made a complete pigs ear of.

 

The more anti-Rangers rhetoric that I see or read just pushes me further and further away from them - and maybe that's their grand plan - to alienate Rangers fans - the rest of the Scottish footballing world hates us so maybe the SNP see us as being the minority  that if they show their anti-Rangers credentials then it will actually boost other voting segments, not just the republican or RC voting block - but the Aberdeen fans, or Dundee Utd fans.  Strange as it sounds to think football fans will vote based on those allegiances rather than political manifests that they see the best for the populace - but we do indeed live in strange times.

 

On topic, George Adam lied yesterday - anyone suggesting otherwise is "at it" - and he also showed just how easy he finds hypocrisy - if any of us, SNP supporters included, aren't concerned about that, then we are missing something.

FWIW, I don't think there's any grand SNP plan to attack or alienate Rangers despite the obvious ideological differences between them.

 

Unfortunately there are just a few key individuals within the party who can't put their profession above their personal feelings.  

[Soulsonic5791 408]

2 hours ago, Frankie said:

FWIW, I don't think there's any grand SNP plan to attack or alienate Rangers despite the obvious ideological differences between them.

 

Unfortunately there are just a few key individuals within the party who can't put their profession above their personal feelings.  

They can't blur the lines and have it both ways Frankie.

 

Sturgeon, if she chose to, could shut this dissemination of ' private' views down at a stroke. The fact that she doesn't raises some important questions. Either she has poor control of the party membership; she tacitly approves of the private views; or both. There is absolutely no chance of it being the case that it is neither of the aforementioned scenarios.

 

In their rush to placate the republican elements of the party and thereby engaging with sections of the electorate to win votes, the SNP have taken many voters for granted. They also behave as though they have an absolute majority in Holyrood which, of course, they don't have. Derek Mackay's recent circumvention of due process with regard to loans paid to Ferguson Shipbuilders is one such case in point.

 

The electorate has a long memory and will not be forgiving in forthcoming elections.