JFK-1 1,693 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) There were some charts etc I couldn't copy over but can be seen at the link if anyone is interested. Quote A goal is a goal is a goal is a goal, right? Well, yes, apart from when it's an away goal in a drawn two-legged European tie. Introduced by Uefa in the 1960s, the away goals rule provides a winner in ties that end level by assigning greater value to goals scored by visiting sides. It has become such a staple of football that commentators regularly utter cliches about away strikes being "all-important" and "counting double". However, to its chief detractors - a group principally made up of Europe's top coaches - not only has the rule been left behind by football, it now actively works against the attacking ideals it hoped to promote. If they have their way, the rule will be ditched in favour of something they feel is more in keeping with the modern game. With the Champions League and Europa League group stages getting under way this week, BBC Sport digs through the stats to see what impact away goals could have on teams later in the competitions and whether the rule is indeed now past its sell-by date. Back in the day... The away goals rule was introduced in the now defunct European Cup Winners' Cup in 1965, making its debut in the European Cup two years later, initially in the first round before being extended to the second the following season and the whole tournament from the 1970-71 season. It was principally devised to avoid the need for costly third games and to end the need for a coin toss should this game also end all-square. (Penalty shootouts were yet to be widely adopted.) This was not the only reason. Back in the 60s, travelling around Europe was neither quick nor cheap and players were often heading into the unknown to face opponents of whom they had little or no prior knowledge, on pitches of wildly varying quality. It is hardly surprising then that away wins in two-legged ties were so rare and visiting teams so eager to dig in for 90 minutes in order to claim a score they could overturn at home - a tactical approach Uefa were keen to discourage. Only 18.98% of legs in European Cup ties were won by the away team prior to the introduction of away goals. In theory, the rule dangled the carrot of a more valuable away goal, encouraging greater attacking intent. A 3-1 away defeat was now preferable to losing 2-0. And for the past 51 seasons, the rule has remained as the principal means of separating sides level after two legs. Three classic ties decided on away goals - 2018: Roma 4-4 Barcelona - Roma win on away goals Roma's Champions League quarter-final with Barcelona last season looked over when the Spanish side won the first leg 4-1. But when Kostas Manolas headed in a late goal in the second leg, Edin Dzeko's away goal a week earlier proved crucial and saw Roma through with a 3-0 win on the night, avoiding the need for extra time and penalties. 2017: Monaco 6-6 Manchester City - Monaco win on away goals Manchester City fell foul of the away goals rule in manager Pep Guardiola's first season in charge. City went out in the last-16 stage after a thrilling 6-6 draw with Monaco over two legs. They had won the first leg 5-3 but despite grabbing an away goal of their own in the second leg were knocked out because of the three goals conceded in Manchester. 2009: Chelsea 1-1 Barcelona - Barcelona win on away goals One of the most dramatic Champions League ties in recent memory came at Stamford Bridge in 2009. After drawing their first leg against Barcelona 0-0 at the Nou Camp, Chelsea were heading into a second successive Champions League final thanks to Michael Essien's first-half strike. But, deep into stoppage time, midfielder Andres Iniesta scored a spectacular equaliser which sent Barcelona through at Chelsea's expense on away goals. The Spanish side went on to beat Manchester United in the final and win Guardiola a first European title. The present... This decade, 28.41% of games in the Champions League group stages onwards have been won by visiting teams - a significant increase on the 1960s. "The coaches think that scoring goals away is not as difficult as it was in the past. They think the rule should be reviewed and that's what we will do," said Uefa deputy secretary-general Giorgio Marchetti after the annual gathering of Europe's top coaches in Nyon, Switzerland. There is a logic behind the coaches' argument - pitches are better now, travel more luxurious and media and scouting so advanced that teams are fully prepared for what awaits them in even the farthest-flung parts of Europe. The stats do indeed show that home sides are keeping fewer clean sheets in two-legged European ties than in previous decades... The rule's critics argue that things have now tipped too far in the away side's favour, forcing home teams to adopt increasingly defensive tactics out of fear of conceding. Former Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has been banging this drum for a decade. "I believe the tactical weight of the away goal has become too important," he told a conference in 2008. "Teams get a 0-0 draw at home and they're happy. Instead of having a positive effect it has been pushed too far tactically in the modern game. It has the opposite effect than it was supposed to have. It favours defending well when you play at home." Teams are certainly scoring less at home now than they have in any previous decade of European club competition... One additional factor to consider is extra time, which is played when teams also have the same number of away goals. However, the away goals rule remains in force, meaning the away side get 30 minutes more than their opponent in which to capitalise. So what is the solution? In the past, Wenger has suggested that away goals should only come into force beyond the 90 minutes of the second leg, in extra time - which is how the rule applies in the League Cup in England. Others feel that abandoning away goals and going straight to a penalty shootout if scores are level after 180 minutes is the way to go. And there are those who believe away goals add to the excitement of a tie and that the rule should stay. Which method would you choose to decide ties that are equal after two matches? Uefa will decide on the matter in due course. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45460290 Edited September 19, 2018 by JFK-1 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 5,098 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Should Uefa scrap away goals rule? No 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whosthedado 1,670 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 We have both benefited and suffered from the away goal rule but I favour that to going straight to penalties. It encourages teams to try and attack a little bit in my opinion too 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacK1950 2,357 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Don't scrap but stop the away goal in extra time rule as home team then has disadvantage.If then drawn after extra time penalty shoot out should ensue. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 1,693 Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 That is indeed one unbalanced facet of it. The away team in the first leg has no chance of snatching an extra time away goal against tiring legs while the away team in the second leg potentially does. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 15,158 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 There are only a very select few clubs likely to win the European Cup any time soon. That should be a far bigger cause for concern than the away goals rule. At the current rate, Barcelona and Real Madrid are likely to rack up about 30 wins between them before 2050. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 1,693 Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 25 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said: There are only a very select few clubs likely to win the European Cup any time soon. That should be a far bigger cause for concern than the away goals rule. At the current rate, Barcelona and Real Madrid are likely to rack up about 30 wins between them before 2050. As it stands with the current financial imbalances I see no way to change that. In fact if anything the imbalance is likely to become even greater. We're over the moon about getting a potential £10 million in the Europa league while the likes of Barca annually pay 4 times that much in salary to a single player. And to be fair I for one had no complaints when Rangers had a huge financial advantage. And in fact we still do over most of the SPL. We spend more on a single transfer than many clubs in the SPL will on all transfers in perhaps decades. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Yes, it should be scrapped. It's a ridiculous arrangement of pure convenience rather than a contribution to sporting performance. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo 6,937 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Would be better scrapping the UEFA cup a nd bring back the cup winners cup and make it a simple knockout tournament with no seeding . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacK1950 2,357 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 4 hours ago, compo said: Would be better scrapping the UEFA cup a nd bring back the cup winners cup and make it a simple knockout tournament with no seeding . Same with Champions League and make it for league winners only. Imagine the meltdown:- loss of tv money ,sponsorship,clubs imploding,wallets of top execs. suddenly dropping so absolutely no chance. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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