Darthter 542 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, DMAA said: Come on now, 46 of Morelos's 73 goals were scored in Finland, and the Euro goals all in qualifiers, most against very poor opposition. The Finnish league is roughly equal to the Irish league according to UEFA's coefficient. Dembele's goals were in Scotland and the English Championship and 3 of the European goals were against Man City and PSG. Lets not get sidetracked here comparing our players with theirs but this comparison doesn't really help us value our player, Morelos. Where the goals were scored & against what teams are ultimately irrelevant. I would guess that managers become initially interested potential players based on stats that are put in front of them - and Morelos' stats are generally better than either of the Ceptic pair. As Gaffer says, we should be talking up the quality & value of our players.... 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Uilleam 5,939 Posted August 16, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2018 Last season Watford FC signed a 20 yo player, a forward, from Fluminense in Brazil. He cost c. £11M. Despite the fact he came straight from Brazil, without a post season break, he hit the ground at Vicarage Road running, and played very well for the first part of the season. Thereafter his form/performances tailed off. I am not comparing the players in ability, or even in the position in which they play, and, I agree that the English League is a more testing environment, but is this not vaguely reminiscent of the fluctuating form of Alfredo Morelos? The player Watford signed is called Richarlison, and he has moved to Everton for around £50M. Everton has suggested that it overpayed somewhat, but even so, it saw enough in the first part of the season to acquire his services. He has started the season well, and I, for one, will watch his progress, or otherwise, with interest. The point is that many people were prepared to write off Richarlison as a flash in the pan, as many here are prepared to do with Morelos, because of a poor second half of the season. My own feeling is that it is foolish to rush to judgement, either +ve, or -ve, of players on the evidence of one season, particularly, when, as with Richarlison and Morelos, they, unsurprisingly, began to look jaded after a season and a half without a break. When we add in other factors likely, perhaps, to affect Morelos - the Chinese megabucks offer, the poor management, for example- then we may conclude that a drop in form was inevitable. It is to early to judge Morelos, and, it is, in consequence, to early to put a value on him. I should say that there are two ways of looking at this and they are not necesarily congruent, or even, in some cases, close: -what another club is willing to pay -what he is worth to Rangers (replacement cost, primarily, but other things like image rights, contribution to off field earnings, and intangibles) Personally, I like the player, and he reminds me a little of Maurice Johnston. He does score goals, and his work rate is exemplary. I do not think he should be sold, certainly not now. There may be a risk in retaining his services, and his value to others may not enhance. Actually, I suspect that it will increase, and, after all, a bird in the hand, and so forth. I would caveat this by stating the very obvious that every player has his price, and if the Club has someone, or more, up its sleeve..... 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMAA 3,658 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Darthter said: Where the goals were scored & against what teams are ultimately irrelevant Not when valuing players. Morelos only cost us £1m because of the level he was playing at. The same applies in Scotland, there's a cap on how much people will pay for players playing at this level. 9 minutes ago, Darthter said: As Gaffer says, we should be talking up the quality & value of our players.... I've slapped a £10m price tag on him so I think I've done that because I don't think anybody is going to pay that just now. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trublusince1982 243 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 hour ago, buster. said: I'd agree with much of that although whether he gets to a "very high level" will depend on his mentality and will to continually improve his game. To come from Columbia and do what he has in Finland and Scotland at his age shows a willingness to adapt and improve based on natural ability. We need him to focus and continue down the path of improvement and yes, he could develop into a top level forward. However, bottom line.........it's about how the mgmt team see it, do they trust him, would they prefer someone else. It's fair to say his indiscipline may have already cost us two points. He was found not guilty(not sure of a better term?). It was the refs indiscipline that cost us two points. He was backed by SG at the time and through the appeal. Haven't seen us mention needing a forward at all. Management have spoke of CB needed etc but have never mentioned concerns regarding Morelos or goals. Lafferty will play wide in my opinion and battle with murphy/Kent and candiese for games while also giving back up until Sadiq is fit enough in a month or so. CF is really one of few areas we don't seem concerned about, so far! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMAA 3,658 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 When Alan Shearer was 21 he only scored 13 in 41 games in the second tier. At 21 Andy Cole only managed 12 in 29 games in the second tier. Ally McCoist managed 8 in 30. By 23/24 years old each one of the above had hit 34 top league goals in a season. Morelos scored 14 in 38 league games aged 21. We could have a 30+ goal striker on our hands if we hold on to him and develop his goalscoring. Time to get McCoist back in the coaching team? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,744 Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 It would be cool if we could cool down this thread a little to real transfer activity ... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMAA 3,658 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 23 minutes ago, der Berliner said: It would be cool if we could cool down this thread a little to real transfer activity ... Bids made for our players are always going to provoke discussion though 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darthter 542 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 49 minutes ago, DMAA said: Bids made for our players are always going to provoke discussion though ...and still comes under the (broad) banner of transfer rumours & activity... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 2,499 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 6 hours ago, DMAA said: Come on now, 46 of Morelos's 73 goals were scored in Finland, and the Euro goals all in qualifiers, most against very poor opposition. The Finnish league is roughly equal to the Irish league according to UEFA's coefficient. Dembele's goals were in Scotland and the English Championship and 3 of the European goals were against Man City and PSG. Lets not get sidetracked here comparing our players with theirs but this comparison doesn't really help us value our player, Morelos. Thank god you are not valuing him. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMAA 3,658 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, pete said: Thank god you are not valuing him. I have valued him, do you disagree? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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