Union Bears statement

[Bill 13,717]

40 minutes ago, der Berliner said:

Likewise, all this hindsight character assassination of previous managers is undue too. We have every right to be uspet when results don't go our way, and obviously, the managers are the first in line of fire. But aiming FLAK at the Board based on hindsight knowledge is poor ...

I'm struggling to see how it can be anything other than hindsight ... unless I'm the only one without clairvoyance and no bugger has told me. 

[buster. 5,194]

7 minutes ago, Darthter said:

Yet, that is exactly what is happening with Miller & Wallace - what has gone on in the past is clouding many fans judgements....

 

I think criticism is due, but not at the Directors.....not at the Manager....not at the players....but at the Club as a whole!!!  I think it is only right that the fans show their displeasure, after all they are the ones putting their hands in their pockets week after week.  I think that the "We deserve better" banners are actually VERY accurate and hopefully EVERYONE connected with the club takes note.

The weight of expectation (allied to finances and timescale) that bears down on the club is totally unrealistic but nevertheless, it is employed to make judgements on what is happening. Those that say that this is BS will offer what is presently akin to empty rhetoric in their argument.

 

What has happened comes from too many of the major football operation decisions that resemble chasing losses at the bookies (eg. managerial appointments and summer transfer windows).

 

Those on the outside (eg. managerial candidates) can see this and many of them won't want anything to do with it unless they can't find a job elsewhere or see real steps towards something better.

[Walterbear 557]

13 minutes ago, buster. said:

The weight of expectation (allied to finances and timescale) that bears down on the club is totally unrealistic but nevertheless, it is employed to make judgements on what is happening. Those that say that this is BS will offer what is presently akin to empty rhetoric in their argument.

 

What has happened comes from too many of the major football operation decisions that resemble chasing losses at the bookies (eg. managerial appointments and summer transfer windows).

 

Those on the outside (eg. managerial candidates) can see this and many of them won't want anything to do with it unless they can't find a job elsewhere or see real steps towards something better.

Not so much as chasing losses as underestimating the required investment and nit having the wherewithal to make that investment. They do have the collective resources of that there is no doubt. Unfortunately for them and any other leaders of big clubs in any country when you put your hat in the ring you’d better be ready to spend / find a lot of money. Since 2012 well over £150m in share issues, season tickets, soft loans, has been made available to Rangers. We have been conned for a lot of the time but it’s incredible to think tha after all that we have such a mediocre product on the park. Well the spivs have gone now. There can be no more excuses for this Board. Fix it or your legacy is at serious risk. 

[buster. 5,194]

27 minutes ago, Walterbear said:

Not so much as chasing losses as underestimating the required investment and nit having the wherewithal to make that investment. They do have the collective resources of that there is no doubt. Unfortunately for them and any other leaders of big clubs in any country when you put your hat in the ring you’d better be ready to spend / find a lot of money. Since 2012 well over £150m in share issues, season tickets, soft loans, has been made available to Rangers. We have been conned for a lot of the time but it’s incredible to think tha after all that we have such a mediocre product on the park. Well the spivs have gone now. There can be no more excuses for this Board. Fix it or your legacy is at serious risk. 

When you try and jump several levels in one go by repeatedly recruiting once quality footballers and expecting them to revisit their glory years, then you are IMO, chasing losses.

 

Beyond that, you have the managerial issues that have been fundamental to our footballing problems.

 

Warburton was a good appointment on sound logic but something happened to his relationship with (part of) the board after the 2016 Cup semi-final and from there, it was a matter of time.

 

Caixinha was a disasterous appointment, period.

 

Murty got the interim gig partly because of how difficult it was to find an adequate replacement and it's been the same rollercoaster but with some hope that the football operation was starting to take shape. However, not that surprisingly, Murty himself has found the pressure too great and we can all see he isn't cut out for it.

 

 

We need leadership, constructive management, honesty and realistic expecation levels within as much finance as the board can raise.

 

Without it, we'll be a dysfunctional football club that serves as a comedy show for the rest of Scottish football.  

Edited April 18, 2018 by buster.

[der Berliner 3,744]

So we do care? As opposed to the song?

 

Well, seriously, what people seemingly demand is a foresight amongst the directors et al that can't be there. We can slate them for picking Murty when they did all we like, he started off well enough and it only fell apart after the Ibrox OF game. And big time. Could they have foreseen this? Or come about talking of cheap options, simple options et al?

 

That aside, there seemingly is some rather bemusing mindset on display that someone else (no matter whom) might have done things quite different. That is done with a "better" foresight than that of the Board? Pretending to know better in advance? Well, yes, that makes sense.

Of course, people can demand from the Board and the DoF that they should make their job (better), not least in the manager search. But for all the rumour-mongering back then and now, the names flung about, people need to be available and willing to come. "We should go for or should have gone for" is fine for us. Just imagine if Mark Allen puts out a list of people whom we talked to and who declined us or demanded stuff we simply couldn't afford? What would do this to our standing in the game ... and what ammunition this would hand to the media and the Hooped Hoards?

 

So a certain level of realism should still be applied to the debate. No-one likes loosing and no-one likes the state we are in. Maybe instead of spitting blood and demand retribution, we should aks the club: How can we help? Forcefully.

[Gonzo79 15,294]

The board are starting to look incompetent.  The manager is incompetent and the players aren't much better.

 

We are now making this clear to them and it's up to them how they respond.  

[craig 5,199]

4 hours ago, der Berliner said:

So we do care? As opposed to the song?

 

Well, seriously, what people seemingly demand is a foresight amongst the directors et al that can't be there. We can slate them for picking Murty when they did all we like, he started off well enough and it only fell apart after the Ibrox OF game. And big time. Could they have foreseen this? Or come about talking of cheap options, simple options et al?

 

That aside, there seemingly is some rather bemusing mindset on display that someone else (no matter whom) might have done things quite different. That is done with a "better" foresight than that of the Board? Pretending to know better in advance? Well, yes, that makes sense.

Of course, people can demand from the Board and the DoF that they should make their job (better), not least in the manager search. But for all the rumour-mongering back then and now, the names flung about, people need to be available and willing to come. "We should go for or should have gone for" is fine for us. Just imagine if Mark Allen puts out a list of people whom we talked to and who declined us or demanded stuff we simply couldn't afford? What would do this to our standing in the game ... and what ammunition this would hand to the media and the Hooped Hoards?

 

So a certain level of realism should still be applied to the debate. No-one likes loosing and no-one likes the state we are in. Maybe instead of spitting blood and demand retribution, we should aks the club: How can we help? Forcefully.

Eh ?  The fans already asked how they could help.  King said "boycott ST's for the current regime so we can have power change".  The fans responded, to an extent.

 

King and his fellow investors gained control.... next up was "help us by purchasing ST's in numbers".  The fans did just that, in record numbers.

 

What more, realistically can the fans actually do to help ?  They have, time and time again, put their hands in their collective pockets and financed the club.  It is the fans, not the Board, who have repeatedly defended the club's reputation by questioning fabrications in the media (well, the Board will do the same, but only for their own reputation, not the Club's) and, indeed, the fans continue to not only buy ST's and merchandise but also to make monthly contributions to C1872 in order that more shares can be purchased by the fans, for the fans.... as well as some of those contributions also being carved out for "projects".

 

Personally, I find it a bit ignorant to be questioning the fans and how they can do more.  The fans have done pretty much everything asked of them, and IMHO have gone well "above and beyond".

 

How about we take a contrarian perspective and say.... "the Club should ask the fans : How can we help" or even "How about the Board actually stop making mistakes, show more transparency as promised or even make a managerial appointment and not just "lets promote the youth team guy" ?  How about that ?

 

The time is not for the fans to be called to arms to assist - the time is for the Board to be held accountable and make the tough decisions... and actually get one right.

[der Berliner 3,744]

26 minutes ago, craig said:

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The time is not for the fans to be called to arms to assist - the time is for the Board to be held accountable and make the tough decisions... and actually get one right.

So ... what? Shall they stand in front of the Ibrox crowd in penitental garb and beg forgiveness? All I see is a lot of demands and not that much understanding and realism. Not least when it comes to managerial appointments. No matter who will be the next chap, we'll only know in 6 to 12 months time whether "his project Rangers" will come off. And even if he snatches 55 and will be named all-time hero, fecking up the CL qualification the summer thereafter will see the same circus starting again.

[buster. 5,194]

39 minutes ago, craig said:

Eh ?  The fans already asked how they could help.  King said "boycott ST's for the current regime so we can have power change".  The fans responded, to an extent.

 

King and his fellow investors gained control.... next up was "help us by purchasing ST's in numbers".  The fans did just that, in record numbers.

 

What more, realistically can the fans actually do to help ?  They have, time and time again, put their hands in their collective pockets and financed the club.  It is the fans, not the Board, who have repeatedly defended the club's reputation by questioning fabrications in the media (well, the Board will do the same, but only for their own reputation, not the Club's) and, indeed, the fans continue to not only buy ST's and merchandise but also to make monthly contributions to C1872 in order that more shares can be purchased by the fans, for the fans.... as well as some of those contributions also being carved out for "projects".

 

Personally, I find it a bit ignorant to be questioning the fans and how they can do more.  The fans have done pretty much everything asked of them, and IMHO have gone well "above and beyond".

 

How about we take a contrarian perspective and say.... "the Club should ask the fans : How can we help" or even "How about the Board actually stop making mistakes, show more transparency as promised or even make a managerial appointment and not just "lets promote the youth team guy" ?  How about that ?

 

The time is not for the fans to be called to arms to assist - the time is for the Board to be held accountable and make the tough decisions... and actually get one right.

Be prepared to be a little more patient for a new manager.

 

The scale of the job to get back to where we want to be allied to available finance levels demands it.

[craig 5,199]

6 minutes ago, der Berliner said:

So ... what? Shall they stand in front of the Ibrox crowd in penitental garb and beg forgiveness? All I see is a lot of demands and not that much understanding and realism. Not least when it comes to managerial appointments. No matter who will be the next chap, we'll only know in 6 to 12 months time whether "his project Rangers" will come off. And even if he snatches 55 and will be named all-time hero, fecking up the CL qualification the summer thereafter will see the same circus starting again.

 OK.  So instead we should just take our seats, sit down, shut up, and accept the unacceptable ?

 

Sometimes it is OK to criticize.  This Board, whilst being far better than their predecessors, have made some monumental mistakes.  I don't see why fans who plough their hard-earned money into the club should simply accept the decisions the custodians have made.

 

How is there "not much understanding and realism" - that simply isn't true.  The vast majority of our fans knew that to regain our rightful place at the top would take time, patience and money.  The present Board have had 3 years and the fans have been very supportive, in the main, during that time.  So patience has been given.  The Board have provided money, but so too have the fans.  Time is the only remaining factor.  3 years may not have been enough, but progress would have been expected.  We have better players than we did 3 years ago, of that I have no doubt.  However, the Board's decision to go with a youth coach was a significant mistake.  They need to realise it, accept it, and then ensure that such a mistake is not made again on a position which is, probably, the most important in any footballing institution.  And, just in case they don't realise it, the fans are starting to be more vocal about it, as is their prerogative.